Politics Gun violence in CT

kinda hypocritical coming from a gun owner don't you think? if it wasn't for the NRA you probably wouldn't own a single firearm legally.

 

Thats as crazy as suggesting that the original intent of the framers was an unrestricted or unlimited right to own firearms of any kind.
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Throughout its history, at least until the 70s or 80s, the NRA supported gun control.

It helped draft the Uniform Firearms Act that still serves as a model of state gun control legislation. It supported all early federal gun control laws from the National Firearms Act of 1934 through the 1968 Gun Control Act.

 

Does the NRA operate in Mexico?

 

I don't believe that for one second. Do you like the unions and ACLU?
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Exactly if the NRA would have stuck to protecting individual gun owner and sane gun laws I'd probably be a member. But the stopped being that kind of organization years ago. No they protect the right of large corporations to sell any type of weapon to the public that will create black on a companies balance sheet. Never mind if it creates red in our street, schools, malls or anywhere else.

 

I am not discussing your political agenda in-light of this tragedy or anyone other political agenda - in my rhetorical question one could insert any political agenda being discussed as people have tried to relate to this issue. Example - some are promoting the arming of teachers, it is a political argument - another trying to catch a moon-beam in a jar or just promoting their political agenda. Carry-on with the political haymaking.

 

I find it hilarious that many of the same people who want to arm teachers have stated teachers are over paid and or incompetent. They say the school are over funded which leads to part of the budget crisis. Now they want to arm the teachers and school staff. People they distrust and think are too stupid to teach our children are suddenly capable of of turning into Dirty Harry in a split second. And who is going to pay to arm and train all these teachers and school staff?

This is almost as funny as the Con's who want to flee Obama's America for Canada to get away from all the socialism.

Monty Python couldn't write shit this funny.

 

i mis read his location as new mexico for some reason.
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i dont have a problem with unions forming. i do have a problem with them forcing people to join and haven't had a positive experience working (as a contractor) in facilities that are unionized. i think the ACLU does a pretty decent job.

 

meanwhile, in the defies one's cynicism department:

Gun sales surge across US after Newtown amid fears of crackdown | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

i'm aware. the NRA isn't the best when it comes to gun rights, but like i said if it wasn't for them things would be a lot worse from an individual right to firearms is concerned.
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interesting, discovery channel is cancelling two gun shows, dick's sporting goods is pulling sporting rifles, and cheaperthandirt.com is pulling online gun sales.

Prison Planet.com » Top Online Gun Retailer Suspends Sales of Firearms: “Effective Immediately”

 

The only gun rights that might be threatened are the right to own an assault weapon and high capacity clips and the right to purchase a gun at a gun show or online w/o a background check...policies that have widespread public support, including among NRA members.

 

i've been seeing numbers thrown about---not sure where they are coming from, but i assume before newtown---that indicate something on the order of 75% of the nra membership (polled) supports tighter regulation of guns. if that's true, then the present ultra-right wing leadership is quite out of phase with the rank and file. the upcoming press conference could be interesting.

someone said, accurately i think, of the nra: if you're waiting a week to respond, you're not praying and reflecting--you're planning a pr response.

 

'assault weapon' and 'high capacity', oh boy here we go...

these bills are written by people who don't know a damn thing about firearms. if we do ban these assault weapons, how well do you think the gun turn in will go? sounds like it would cause more violence than it would prevent.

 

Right..I forgot that weapons and clips that fire multiple rounds per second are for sporting purposes.

Some of those kids were shot as many as nine times.

 

clearly being able to riddle a target with nine rounds accurately placed in such a short time demonstrates the sporting value of the bushmaster.

 

and what exactly does sporting have to do with the second amendment again anyway? it's a biproduct of the main intent which is individual right to protect one's self from enemies foreign and domestic.

 

We know from the right wing that guns dont kill people. Taking God out of schools and the moral decline of the country as a result of video games and violent movies kill people.

The Tea Party Nation calls for more George Zimmermans as the solution.

 

In fact, the entire Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, were an afterthought and compromise to secure the support for the Constitution of the anti-Federalists. The inclusion of the Second Amendment was about state militias and the concern of a federal army overstepping its authority.

It was not until the 2008 DC gun law case that the Supreme Court ruled that individuals have a right to own firearms.

 

your stance is that for two hundred some years the law just turned a blind eye to private firearm ownership

the court didn't make gun private gun ownership legal, the 2nd amendment did. they just reaffirmed it. the fact that they didn't rule on it for so long doesn't mean the right didn't exist.

 

Yep. That is pretty much the case, based on cases like Miller v US and Cruikshank v US.

Until the conservative 2008 Court chose to ignore the "well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" language and to only acknowledge "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms..."