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Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life, philosophical/religious facts,

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by asio, Apr 14, 2015.

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  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    But, you see, that's the problem: You have no concrete proof in your explanation. Also, it's not practical because it cannot be applied to daily life without gaps. Maybe if we went to the original teachings, we'd have a better time of it.

    Or maybe if you fleshed it out a bit more, we'd have more to go on, but in its current form there isn't much else we can say about it. (Which is why, again, the burden of proof is on you. It's still on you because you haven't come up with any verifiable or concrete proof.)

    You too. And thanks for not calling me a street dog this time.
     
  2. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    The Windy City
    You don't know me. You don't know any of us. You have no idea what each one of us thinks about life, God, or meaning.

    Yet you come in here, preach to us as though you had a right to judge us, and tell us essentially that your path is the only truth, your understanding of things is the only valid one, and then you call us names and dismiss what we say as nonsense when we object or provide opinions which do not mesh precisely with your own.

    In what way did you imagine this behavior would persuade us of anything? In what way did you imagine that behaving this way would offer a compelling example of how your theology and philosophy produces ethical and inspiring people? Is this how you imagine God-- whatever you wish to call Him-- wishes people to treat others: without courtesy, without humility, without sensitivity, without respect for others and the meaning they find and construct in their lives?

    For what it's worth, I am a rabbi. I have extensive training-- including multiple degrees-- in theology, religious philosophy, and comparative religion, and I have done interfaith dialogue for years, since well before I was even a rabbi. So please understand that it is not due to lack of ability that I refuse to engage your original post in terms of its theology and philosophy.

    It is because what you have posted is a religious screed. Your agenda appears to be to compel others to believe as you do, if necessary by verbally abusing them until they concede your points. If such a position even stems from a coherent theology, it is not worth responding to with nuanced argument. It is a theology of religious supremacism, of condescension, of control, and as such is repugnant.

    If you wish to be taken seriously, and for your thoughts to be listened to and responded to with nuance and consideration, then start getting used to the idea that nobody has a monopoly on ultimate Truth. There is no such thing as one correct way for all people to believe and practice spiritually. And there is potentially value in nearly everyone's thoughts and ways of making meaning.

    We are all Creations of a single Source, and as such, we all have equal potential to reflect the beauty and depth of our Creator, at least in miniature. Human beings have developed many ways to reach out for the numinous, to try to better reflect the splendor of the Source of all things, and many if not most of those ways have great value and worth. Treat other people accordingly, treat the ways of others respectfully as paths to different aspects of the same Truth, and perhaps others will find what you have to say compelling.
     
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  3. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    So beautiful.
     
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  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    And despite the fact that I will say that I have no use in the belief of a creator god, I know I can say this to @Levite without fear that he will attack me or attempt to convert me away from my beliefs. At the same time, we can agree on many other things on the topic of morality and spirituality. Actually, I've had many good conversations with a Jewish friend of mine on the parallels between Buddhism and Judaism.
     
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  5. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    I am reminded of something my dear friend and teacher the late Reb Zalman Schachter-Shalomi said, when someone confessed to him that they found no reason to believe in God. He smiled and said, "God doesn't need you to believe in Him. He'll be fine, no matter what. And for the rest of us, if you are good to your fellow people, and try to make the world a more just place than you found it, how could we possibly presume to tell you that is not enough?"
     
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  6. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    And BOOM, Levite drops the mic.
     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Cheers to that. :cool:
     
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  8. asio

    asio New Member


    alright - alright then simply come to real point ) can you recall everything which you have thought or done on each second within`1 cheap minute or not ?

    what is your answer ? ( can you recall everything or not ? ) yes or no ?
     
  9. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    That poor horse.
     
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  10. asio

    asio New Member

    let us hope that rascal levite will really come to real points. and not run away like cowards.
     
  11. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I find it very distasteful that you resort to insults. That isn't the kind of dialogue we tolerate around here.
     
  12. You obsess over minutiae. Individuals are cumulative creatures and what you see in front of you is more important than any one thought, deed or experience along the path to becoming that individual. I don't have to recall everything. My next thought or action is a result of my past, responding to my present, creating my future. If you have a compelling reason for requiring people to recall everything, state it outright, please.

    And, consider this: resorting to name calling and personal attacks is the tactic of one with a weak position. It automatically disqualifies the proponent and concedes the debate. A respectful approach meets a more favorable audience.
     
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  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Slow computers are proof of God.

    /logic
     
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  14. It is my observation that @Levite has been more direct in his comments than you have @asio. You obfuscate and offer little real information. No one is running away. We are here to engage, if you would reciprocate.
     
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  15. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    I fail to see how this is anything akin to a point. Of course I cannot recall everything I have ever thought or done. No human being can do so. Why would anyone wish to do so? And if they could do so, what relevance would it have in and of itself?

    More to a real point, it is clear you did not hear a word I said. Which, to be fair, is pretty much as expected. But can you explain why, when you do not consider what others say, you have a right to expect others to consider what you say?

    You seem to be very free with verbal abuse, calling people dogs and rascals and dullards and cowards and whatnot. Are you under the impression that anyone here actually considers you worth sufficient note to be offended by your insults? When someone bursts in to a place of civil conversations, and begins haranguing and badmouthing everyone present, regardless of their reasons for doing so, it instantly marks them as uncivilized and ignorant, and thus renders the worth of their words negligible. You do not seem to realize that with every childish, uncouth posting, you make yourself more and more unwelcome and your message more and more apt to be dismissed offhand as pseudo-theological flatulence. If you were serious about discussion and having people consider thoughtfully what you have to say, you would not be doing yourself and your message such disservice.
     
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  16. asio

    asio New Member

    no word jugglery is wanted ) simply tell us that can you recall everything or not ? ( yes or no ?) shameless pig
     
  17. girldetective

    girldetective Getting Tilted

    Uh, the real point for me is that I recall how to spell asshole.
    I sorta hate to be so crass as to point it to you - the misspeliing of your screen name.
     
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  18. He answered your question and you respond like this. You are quickly becoming not worth the time to try to communicate with you. You call others the names that you yourself most emulate.

    It is obvious that communicating in English is very difficult for you. Perhaps try using an online translator.
     
  19. asio

    asio New Member

    and ( blind sheep ) although my english is not very grammatically, rhetorically correct and Rascals are concerned with grammar. Actual workers are concerned with thoughts.
     
  20. girldetective

    girldetective Getting Tilted

    It bears repeating:

    Uh, the real point for me is that I recall how to spell asshole.
    I sorta hate to be so crass as to point it to you - the misspeliing of your screen name.
     
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