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Politics Obamacare

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Ace, I dont know the specifics in NC, but it sounds like your old plan was only available off exchange. Those plans still had to meet the new mandatory essential benefits and consumer protections and you could have purchased directly from Blue Cross (or a broker) unless you were applying for a subsidy.

    In the fist year, the on exchange plans from the big carriers in some states had narrower networks as those carriers held back and offered fewer choices given that they had no previous experiences with the pool of the newly insured. That is changing in most states for 2105 now that there is on exchange experiences from which to rate plans and many are offering wider networks next year.

    When you say you got screwed, it might because you didnt do your homework and ask all the right questions before jumping onto an on exchange plan.

    But again, the specifics are a bit fuzzy.
     
  2. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

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    I don't recall using that terminology.

    I have stated previously that I am sure the Obamacare counselors are good well intentioned people, I will not blame them. However, going through the process it was not uncommon to get different answers to the same question. It was not uncommon to speak to counselors who were not properly trained. It was not uncommon to speak to counselors who did not understand the subject matter.

    In addition, medical professionals and office managers have been figuring out how many of the rules and regulations impact their practices on the fly. For you to suggest I failed to do my homework, illustrates a problem with those who have not gone through the system - not with those who have. I am not saying it is all bad, and I am sure for some things have worked without incident. My main point is that the law is a mess and what was promised is not what we are getting. If you tell me this is the system and this is how it will work - fine. I prefer not to be sold on what they knew was b.s.

    Right. I go to the doctor, show them my new card, they copy it, say everything is o.k., then weeks later they say it is not, talk to Blue Cross they say talk to the Obamacare folks, the Obamacare folks are clueless, etc., etc., until I finally get someone who knows what the problem is several weeks later, after a multitude of calls, etc. And it is still not clear to me and my doctors office is trying to figure out why they are on one list and not the other - in the mean time a new doctor for me and my family.
     
  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Ace, I can only respond to the details you provided and it appears you went from a Blue Cross Options Plan to a Blue Cross Value Plan, or from off exchange to on exchange...and the fact (or my humble opinion) that you entered in the process with an attitude so opposed to the ACA that it will suck, no matter what.

    Granted, I have not gone through the process, but I have conducted a number of webinars with city officials for residents of their respective cities with the focus being on understand the options. The audience was primarily those applying for subsidies so their options were far more limited.

    As I read it, you made the choice to go on exchange and perhaps with less available information than should have been provided. Your were not required to do so. You can blame confusion among providers and I certainty wont disagree, but you are one who always says it is the consumers responsibility to know the facts (regardless of the product/service being purchased).

    Open enrollment will begin again next month.
     
  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    More ACA success that those on the right will deny.

    12 million newly insured is great and another 10+ million expected in 2015. But we wont see universal coverage until the country is ready to make that bold move to a single payer type system.
     
  5. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    And even more success that "free marketeers" should appreciate:

     
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    You gotta love the comics. :cool:
    Link
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    More shutdowns over Obamacare?? Oi Vey!!

    Here's one for the Libs, after the mid-term spanking by the GOP
    So, my question is this...if something like this may be apparent to the GOP
    are they going to spend political credit on trying to repeal? Again???

    Or will they try to strangle it by spending restrictions?? To stop the govt, again?
    Or will they try to death by a thousand cuts...hiding the wounds in areas Obama can't gain the muster for battle.

    The latter would be the wisest...because those spending bills have to go through.
    But I just have the feeling that they'll chew the red meat.
    SSDD
     
  10. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    More failed predictions from the right

    Key Study on Obamacare 2015 Premium Rates Is Out and You Won't Believe What's Going to Happen
    More insurance companies, more plans, more choices ---> average premium increases at 4%, lower than pre-ACA.
     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    AND here we go again...
    House GOP Re-Ups O-Care Repeal Bill After Big Election Wins

    Y'know the definition of insanity??? (tip - old meme)

    BTW...it surprises me how many conservatives forget that the ACA is based off a conservative idea.
    To give an alternative to the health plan Clinton was pushing (by Hillary)...
    The Heritage Foundation (a conservative think-tank) came up with the premise that became Romney-Care...and Obamacare (BOTH successful despite nay-sayers)

    But just as the Dems crawled away from Obama and their successes...the GOP and other miscellaneous fans...forget it's origins.
    It is only that Obama put it out...it is a hated law.
    I just talked to my dad...he totally forgot or didn't know where it came from....and when I mentioned it to him...repeatedly to get it to absorb it....it's like he was a deer caught in the headlights.
    He had nothing to say... As if his brain were saying, "Does Not Compute"

    Yes, the truth contradicts the spin.
    Even the spin that denies what you originally liked. That your party created.
    But you believe the spin.
    Only current spin.

    Amazing what people don't remember.
    History is doomed to repeat.
    Just like an Obamacare repeal. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Uhh...no shit.
    I could see this one coming from a mile away.

    Mitch McConnell’s Obamacare gambit
    Behind closed doors, Republicans are plotting one last tilt at the Affordable Care Act.

    Plan #634 - Win election by default...go after ACA.

    The GOP is so predictable, they've become like Wile E. Coyote...to Obama's Road Runner.
    When are they going to learn?? :rolleyes:

    Next thing you'll know, they'll suggest a tax cut...
     
  13. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    It's going to be an entertaining next two years.
    This is an Aircraft Carrier that the GOP and conservatives are just aching to take down...even likely to the detriment of themselves.
    Could they be called Kamikazes??

    But here's an interesting perspectives from a primary player...and someone who's rep & career still depends on it succeeding and continuing.
    Regrets on Obamacare? Sebelius has very few

    True, the numbers from it are looking good so far, both volume and financially.
    But others want it gone, just from principle and posturing...results be damned.

    Me, I don't care about ideology. I'm a political atheist.
    I care about results...
    And the consequences to the nation and its citizens.

    If you think of something better...put it out there.
    But don't just revoke it before you've got something to replace it.
     
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  15. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    More good news.

     
  16. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    Maybe they are waiting for the 2016 campaign season to put it out there, but I can think of one or two plans that the GOP could come up with, but I'm not going to do their job for them. Let's just say the poor and unemployed won't be doing too good if they implement it.

    I'm not sure what happened in Vermont and why their single-payer plan didn't work. Except that maybe too many doctors would leave the state to make more money elsewhere and too many sick people would move in. That might not be an issue if it happened nationwide, but you need to figure out how to deal with people who live hours away from any medical care and don't need it feeling like they are paying for something they will never use.

    I'm sure it will be a big issue in 2016, let's hope both sides get their talking points ready and are able to explain why giving lower income workers healthcare and making people who are making money buy it is a good thing.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Actually, I do think there was a good reason, something they didn't consider...but it's going to take some time to figure it out.
    In the meantime, single-payer opponents are going to showcase it as a, "see I told you so" thing. One trial doesn't make a case.

    Although, I'm not sure if single-payer would work well in the US, especially considering we emphasize market structures so much and making a buck.
    Our health system is more of a free-for-all...the mindset is corporate...
    Which is likely why Medicare and Medicaid are having such an issues. Most everyone involved, even if they're caring, isn't altruistic.
    Europeans have more "controls" on their systems, the mindset is different (patient, doctor, etc...) and they have less people.

    Actually, that's why I liked the ACA...it leveraged the economic dynamic that's embedded in the American system.
    A tiger can't change its stripes.
     
  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Boehner and McConnell Bomb On 60 Minutes When Asked For GOP Alternative to Obamacare

    Repeal and Replace

    The GOP mantra is just BS...they want to repeal...but have NOTHING to replace it.
    You sick, you die. Shit outta luck. That or be financially in debt for years or decades.

    Again, Obamacare or the ACA is originally a conservative think tank idea.
    They gave them what they wanted.
    But now they don't want it because just because HE got it done.

    Now, it's become a part of their obsessive mindset.
    And fuck everyone else.

    Figure out something else as a solution or STFU.
    But they won't...they'll be tilting at this windmill until they die...or lose themselves the majority, if not the party.

    It's the GOP's cancer stick, they'll smoke on this several packs a day, until they croak. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    When I see ACA I see another hit on any possible tax return for me this year. Just checked on a website and according to that the penalty for me not having insurance should be in the $95-15o range.
     
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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