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Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Shadowex3, Nov 3, 2013.

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  1. DamnitAll

    DamnitAll Wait... what? Donor

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  2. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member Donor

  3. omega

    omega Very Tilted Donor

    Could make bingo off this thread and that list.
     
  4. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member Donor

    Great idea!
     
  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Seen just about all of those.
    They missed getting called a faggot and a gender traitor.
     
  6. omega

    omega Very Tilted Donor

    Gender traitor. That's funny, considering we're all human.
     
  7. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

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    But don't you know we have to position this as an us vs. them.
     
  8. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted Donor

    And in fucking reality feminists and their fan club have escalated their vicious assaults on anyone that dares to question or disagree with them. The total count is now at least 2 people losing their jobs, 2 more attempts at getting people fired, a fifth with threats to get her fired as well as threats of sexual assault and mutilation to her workplace, one open syringe filled with god knows what mailed to a gay man, and 8+ doxxings including a transgender developer whose financial and personal accounts were compromised.

    This is in addition to the absolutely torrential outpouring of racism, sexism, and transphobia against everyone supporting gamergate. All of which is completely uncriticized, unchallenged, and unopposed by this massive majority of good and honest equality minded people you all insist are out there. People which it turns out there isn't really even any evidence of existing.

    But I'm sure you all will be happy to explain at great length how none of that matters and we should pay no attention to any of the evidence because none of it counts for some technicality or another. I'm sure as usual you can all explain how despite all of this being in defense of a gaslighting transphobic racist domestic abuser, feminism still cares about men's rights too, and feminism remains completely untarnished and uncriticizable... In fact one could say feminism remains on a Pedestal.

    And while you're all busy writing apologia for all of this, erasing it, or just playing fucking bingo I'll be busy teaching women and minorities how to protect themselves from ever escalating harassment and violence from the people you pretend don't exist and refuse to ever take a meaningful stand against.


    Gamergate has over a million tweets. That's a million chances for feminists to prove that they don't want women on a pedestal, that they want true equality, that they want to end domestic and sexual violence, that "feminism is men's rights too", that everything they said isn't a complete fucking lie. Feminism had a chance to stand up and say "Defending a domestic abuser because she's a woman is based in regressive gender norms and we refuse to do it".

    Feminism fucking blew it. YOU blew it. Every time to stuck your heads in the sand and denied feminism was being corrupted from the inside out, every time you erased, handwaved, explained away their bigotry. Every time you stood by and watched in silence, or worse covered for them. You all bear personal responsibility for condoning and covering for them to the point they don't even pretend hide their viciously racist, sexist, transphobic attacks anymore.

    Because they know that you'll do what you ALWAYS do. You'll deny they're a problem, you'll deny they're an overwhelmingly powerful majority, you'll deny that you need to clean house, and then you'll insist "true scotsfeminism means equality!" and smear their enemies as misogynists for them because you allow them to continue calling themselves feminists. Before it was always "that doesn't count" or "they don't understand feminism" or "they're just a vocal minority of trolls you can't blame feminism". Well what's your excuse now? What's your excuse when it's some of the most powerful feminist members of the media? What's your excuse when they're megaphones with 50 THOUSAND followers per person?

    Actually yknow what? Don't tell me. Because I don't give a damn anymore. If you want to be kapos for people that defend domestic abusers that doxx and threaten 14yo transgender children, deliberately target women and minorities, and hack people's bank accounts all while crying victim go right ahead.

    I'll be over here actually HELPING PEOPLE, teaching them how to stay safe from the sociopathic bigots you continue to refuse to believe utterly dominate feminism after having helped raise over $70,000 to get women into game development.




    This sounds high-minded and good and generous but like honey on a poisoned dagger it's a sham. You're talking up how magnanimous you are to cover for the fact you just got done saying everyone who doesn't already agree with you wants to "undermine" feminism "often to the point of blatant propaganda". And of course YOU get to be the one to decide who has "investment" in feminism and is acting in good faith, and who doesn't and is an evil undermining liar.

    It's exactly the moral monopoly I've called you on a million times. You equate goodness and morality itself with feminism, and thus anyone who disagrees (and YOU decide who that is) is attacked for acting in bad faith or being a misogynist or whathaveyou.

    The truth is I've told you a million times how to "make it better", how to "make it work"... but just like the Catholic church of 1500 you have universally refused to accept that there IS a problem in the first place. Since feminism can never be wrong I must be wrong, and since I am disagreeing with feminism I must be acting in bad faith, "often to the point of blatant propaganda".

    It used to be amusing or annoying, but now that you're covering for people that have escalated to such an abhorrent level of conduct it's just sad and frightening that you can talk about propoganda and caring only about undermining and destroying things while not realising that you are describing exactly how feminism is behaving. Exactly how YOU behave.

    I had a slim hope that seeing one of the most diverse groups in history raised $70,000 to help women while some of the most powerful feminists in the media stooped to open racism and targeted attacks on women and minorities all in defense of people that epitomize everything feminism claims to stand against would be such a blatant slap in the face, such a shock to your entrenched worldview, that it might finally shake you out of your blind faith. Evidently I was foolish to hope that.

    Maybe as they continue to escalate to more and more bigoted, violent, and hateful actions you'll finally realise that pounding isn't a misogynist mob but the 95 theses being nailed to your church door.

    I won't hold my breath.
     
  9. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

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    @shadowex3, I notice you still haven't answered my questions.
     
  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    Please don't.

    I'm going to try to avoid reasoning with people who can only think in binaries and can only argue in absolutes.

    It's pointless. It's pointless because you either don't understand what I'm saying or are purposefully mischaracterizing what I'm saying. You either don't get it or are making things up to make me look bad (despite how sophomoric your responses actually are). I will forgive the former, but I loathe the latter. Given your tone and how far you run with things, I'm assuming it's the latter.

    Frankly, I find it disgusting. You're an aggravating waste of time. You're insulting my intelligence. I prefer to think that you don't consider me some kind of moron you can bully into believing your bullshit.

    If I had better self-esteem, I would just ignore you.
     
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  11. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted Donor

    Absolutes like feminism never being wrong? Binaries like monopolizing morality itself and openly saying anyone who disagrees with feminism is wrong by virtue of disagreeing with feminism?

    The 95 theses have been nailed to your door, and you choose to continue insisting that because they're not catholic they MUST be satan worshipping monsters and the Church is just fine.

    Yknow what I find disgusting? Blindly refusing to accept there is a problem even when some of the leaders of modern feminism are deliberately targeting minorities and women to get them fired, threatening them and their families with mutilation and death, and even hacking their bank accounts all while throwing out racist, sexist, transphobic slurs and all in defense of a racist transphobic domestic abuser.

    Since you guys insist so strongly that there's nothing wrong with the comparison have one for yourselves: What you're doing is no different than trying to insist the Ku Klux Klan is about defending innocent farmers from carpetbaggers instead of a violent racist terrorist organization. Maybe at some point they cared about carpetbaggers, but you're blind if you don't see what they are today.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    You're still making shit up? (Actually, this is technically recycled, like a lot of your shit.)

    I'd ask you to demonstrate this, but you're shameless in your falsifications.

    There is no evidence of this. You're either thinking of someone else or are making this up.

    Given your track record, I'm assuming the latter.

    It's fucking disgusting.

    What you're doing is embarrassing. You're embarrassing me because I have tried to take you seriously.

    Would you care to demonstrate any of these claims you've made about me?

    I've seen your wizardly "logic."

    (In other words, I won't hold my breath.)
     
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  13. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted Donor

    So your entire posting history of handwaving away, erasing, or no true scotsmanning everything and delegitimizing all criticisim of feminism never happened? You're right... of course it never happened. Just like as far as the Catholic Church was concerned it never did anything worthy of criticism and Martin Luther was simply in league with the devil.

    Or are you so deep into your blind denialism of feminism's corruption and rot that you refuse to believe any of its largest proponent's recent hate crimes never happened and I'm just resorting to "blatant propaganda" because, of course, as someone who has committed Heresy against the Church everything I say MUST be a lie and wrong.
     
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  14. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

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    @Shadowex3, you continue to astound me with your blatant axe-grinding myopia.

    I would write (again) about how I am sure there is a common ground to be found here, but you, as you have shown time and again, are not interested in discovering that ground.

    Your attempts to paint anyone who claims they are a feminist with the same giant brush is, to quote Baraka_Guru, "fucking disgusting".

    In conclusion: You are still an asshole.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    Either demonstrate this history or shut the fuck up.

    I suspect you're trying to gaslight me. Again.

    (Embarrassing....)
     
  16. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted Donor

    Disingenuous as always Charlatan. Your idea of a "common ground" is to simply browbeat and bully everyone else into agreeing 100% with feminism 100% of the time. And as always you're incapable of engaging honestly with anyone that isn't agreeing 100% with feminism 100% of the time.

    Holding you responsible for your own actions isn't painting everyone with the "same giant brush", it's making you own your shit. You don't get to cover for people's actions and then go "not my problem!". The pathetic thing is when you argue against this you're arguing against the exact same logic behind blaming all men for "rape culture", one of the core tenets (and core problems) of modern feminism.

    In conclusion: Your post is a microcosm of feminism itself. Dishonest, manipulative, and hypocritical.


    This game again? Where you suddenly catch amnesia and demand I exhaustively quote every freaking post you've ever made and then start trying to drown me in minutae and mendacious technicalities? And by the way not only is that not gaslighting, what you're doing right now by using an accusation of it as a weapon is. I'm not surprised though, after all you've refused to accept a REAL gaslighting domestic abuser when one was presented to you earlier and continue to shill for her and her associates.

    Like I said. Keep defending "feminism" for them, I'll keep teaching people how to be safe from the people you're covering for:
    GG+Fem on Twitter: "alright then, previously I posted my faculty ID.
apparently, I've been doxxed (screencap of threats):
#GamerGate http://t.co/quUpkBwnWE"
    Andrew Sampson on Twitter: "I'm on leave without pay until a decision is made on if I will continue employment at my company. Thanks SJW #GamerGate"
    imgur: the simple image sharer
    Julie on Twitter: "@Nero was told that this would interest you. I got doxxed and threatened for posting in favour of #GamerGate http://t.co/xD0c6mpvpw"
    Zoe links a doxx to wikipedia editors who tried to accurately update her page. And it's a bad one. : KotakuInAction

    Now be a good little kapo and go defend "feminism" while simultaneously refusing to do anything about these "feminists".
     
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  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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  18. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted Donor

    GG+Fem on Twitter: "alright then, previously I posted my faculty ID.
apparently, I've been doxxed (screencap of threats):
#GamerGate http://t.co/quUpkBwnWE"
    Andrew Sampson on Twitter: "I'm on leave without pay until a decision is made on if I will continue employment at my company. Thanks SJW #GamerGate"
    imgur: the simple image sharer
    Julie on Twitter: "@Nero was told that this would interest you. I got doxxed and threatened for posting in favour of #GamerGate http://t.co/xD0c6mpvpw"
    Zoe links a doxx to wikipedia editors who tried to accurately update her page. And it's a bad one. : KotakuInAction

    This is real Baraka, these are the people your blind faith has hurt. Look at them. Tell them why they're wrong about feminism, why feminism is perfect and good and pure, why the people doing this are no true scotsmen and how dare they criticise feminism and feminists.

    Look at them dammit, look at them and tell them it's wrong to stand up to a corrupt and hate filled feminism, that feminism doesn't need to clean house. Make your mendacious justifications and blind defenses of feminism to them.
     
  19. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

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    Your blinders are showing again.

    I will stack up my 10+ years of reasonable posting on this site versus the lies you are posting above.

    Browbeat? Bully? What colour is the sky in your imaginary world?

    You are massively full of shit (see troll video above).
    --- merged: Sep 27, 2014 3:41 AM ---

    There is nobody on this thread that would disagree that #gamergate is a shit show.

    However, you are only showing one side of that massive steaming pile of shit (again, your blinders are showing). There are many, many examples of attacks and doxxing from both sides. Why do you insists on just highlighting the ones that support your case? Why are you afraid to admit that maybe, just maybe there are people of all stripes that are wrong.

    There *is* a common ground where one can point at the ridiculous actions of all who behave this way. There *is* a common ground where equality is the goal. Your lopsided "investigations" show your true colours.
     
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  20. Baraka_Guru

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    You have no idea what character my faith has. You don't care to know anything about me; you only care about what you make me out to be. You need an enemy. This is why you constantly turn me into a straw man. I'm a figment of your imagination, a flight of fancy.

    Please stop harassing me. As much as I hate mixed metaphors, you're kicking a dead straw man.

    I'm not going to defend a position that isn't even mine. Is that what you want me to do? Do you want me to play devil's advocate? Do you want me to role-play?

    Appeal to pity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This might be a new low.

    If you do elsewhere what you do here, you're doing more harm than good. I'd be more comfortable knowing that I'm the only target of your unfounded claims, but I already know this extends to others here in varying degrees.

    You know what? I'm not sure if you realize this, but you don't know what I think about feminism. We haven't gotten that far.

    In other words, you're still full of shit.
     
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