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People's Revolution 2016 /an opinion

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by oldkid, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North


    The thing is it's not the cities where the welfare 'runs rampant'.
    That's just another one of the myths perpetuated by politicians and used as a way of making the words 'inner city' be a sly way of meaning black so they don't have to sound racist.
    The fact is a huge chunk goes to rural areas like the Appalachians, where the 'War on Poverty' was born.
    The huge swath of humanity is white and hasn't had a decent economy that didn't involve sucking coal dust or underground (The three M's - moonshine, marijuana, meth) some way.
    So until we come up with a way of fixing that (and getting them to stop voting against themselves) we will always have issues.
     
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I find that many people operate on a nearly complete misunderstanding of welfare and its impact. Myths aside (and there are many), welfare does much to stem the tide of abject poverty, a byproduct of capitalism as managed by neoliberal ideology, and its side effects, namely, costly health issues, inadequate education, inadequate work skills, high crime, and bloated courts and prisons. You'll notice that these things kind of already are problems. Well, without a welfare system, the problems would be far worse.

    If there is any revolution required, it would likely come in the form of that based on Marxist ideology. As it happens, Bernie Sanders' view of socialism is one that operates within the capitalist system, not as one that sees revolution as necessary. So maybe not a revolution in the traditional sense, but rather at sea change in American politics when it comes to economic issues.
     
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  3. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars

    Don't be ridiculous. They're just not capitalisming hard enough. Everyone knows poor people are just lazy.
     
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    You're probably right. The problem is that big government coddles them.
     
  5. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Yeah. Everyone knows that if you give tax breaks to the wealthy, they will altruistically invest in us, whereas tax breaks to the poor will cause them to squander everything.
     
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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    I apologize to the TFP members & staff, most especially genuinemommy.

    I was under the impression that oldkid's post had been edited. That's entirely my fault because I should have (forced myself to) read it a couple of extra times. A very stupid move by me.
     
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  7. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks, Chris! No worries.
     
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  8. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Meh, everyone makes mistakes. Most of us regularly. It's all in if you can admit them and, when necessary, apologize. :cool: Hardly a big thing. :)