1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. We've had very few donations over the year. I'm going to be short soon as some personal things are keeping me from putting up the money. If you have something small to contribute it's greatly appreciated. Please put your screen name as well so that I can give you credit. Click here: Donations
    Dismiss Notice

Politics Romney - Is he ready?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, May 15, 2012.

  1. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana

    --- merged: Aug 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM ---
    i did read it. and i also heard the full clip played on conservative radio at least a half dozen times, and people are still just as upset about it.

    it's like saying if you went to school and got a degree 'you didn't learn that'. seriously all the tools and groundwork can be there but you still have to put a lot of hardwork and effort in to make it happen. he really has no respect for businesses or business owners.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 31, 2012
  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    No it's not like saying that.

    This is the point. It's being taken out of context, and it's ridiculous. Or at least it would be if it weren't so deceiving.

    The only fair criticism I can think of is the somewhat awkward delivery of what Obama was saying.

    Now conservatives can dupe voters into thinking Obama is an anti-business socialist.

    Yeah, that's fantastic. Way to go Republicans. No wonder the party is in shambles.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2012
  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I wonder how many small businesses could have started up or expanded w/o the nearly $3/4 trillion in SBA backed loans last year?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    That's beside the point.

    Every conservative in America could believe Obama is the best thing for business, but if they're scratching their heads as to why Obama said they didn't build their businesses, they're still not getting it.

    For fuck's sake, should we assume that Romney is terminally ill or planning on committing suicide to hand Paul Ryan the presidency if they win? I mean, Americans should be really worried about the guy if they're going to vote for him.
     
  5. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    You have to remember that two out of three Republicans think Obama is a socialist.
     
  6. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    and the other third haven't been following his policies or looked into any of his history.
     
  7. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Could you define "socialist", please? I see him as moderate right-wing (and applying many policies that could easily have come from the Republicans 20 or so years ago).
     
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    The funny thing about socialism is that conservatives don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
     
  9. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Location, timing, and outside events have a lot of impact on small businesses. Yes, Obama could have done more to make it easier, same with state and local governments. The difference in tax rates and the knowledge that there are people who use offshore shell companies and tax havens creates an unfair economic environment for them too. Why would I want to create a business here if I imagine becoming a multi-millionaire, when I should go to the Cayman's, start a business, and then manipulate the profits/losses/donations of the company to get around taxes.

    And the right-wing media hasn't done much for consumer confidence either, which is how the economy gauges how safe it is to spend money and enjoy their lives. Or would they rather pay off debt, save, and not buy stuff. I am cheap, but I know if everyone was like me, 50% of the current jobs would go away.
     
  10. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    Now the Mormon issue raises it's ugly white salamander head... I have known many Mormons & jack Mormons and have learned plenty about their er, um, "religion" or more likely cult. As a Jack Mormon friend (who left the church and was totally shunned) once told me, they are good family people as long as you never bring home someone black or biracial. And if you're a healthy married lady it is your duty to have as many kids as you can esp. if you are white. Plus there's a reason they don't have windows in the temple where they hold their most important "services and sacrafices" which do include blood letting and other less than pleasant methods of devotion. I've asked them about the other race issues and all they have told me is that they have a sacred higharchy of blessed souls. All this really bothers me when we approach an important election as we plan for November 2012.

    Anyone else feel a bit concerned since Mitt is one??
     
  11. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Half of the Mormon stuff is perfectly fine, even great. The other half is a problem for me.

    The 2 year missions are interesting, I wish I would have been able to do that. But it wasn't socially acceptable for me to take two years off after high school or college and go to some foreign country and help the local people. I could have gone into the Peace Corp or Red Cross, but there was money to be made and once you graduate high school you are supposed to go right into college. I would rather not talk about a book or try to convert people though. And it would be considered socialism for older people who are working to fund trips for teens/20-somethings.

    They do volunteer lots, have good work ethic, build impressive buildings, and picked a great place in the country to be based out of.

    The problem I have with them is that they are too up-tight. Nudity and sex isn't a bad thing between a monogamous couple. Birth control and family planning is good. And the story of how the church was formed is a little questionable from an outsider point-of-view. How can people claim to not want 'the government' telling them what not to do, yet are fine when religious institutions and corporations tell them what to do?

    I like the fact that they ride bicycles, don't drink coffee or soda (maybe they have the non-caffeine stuff), are prepared for disasters, help others, work together, and have a close knit community.
     
  12. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    It was a real shot to people whose confirmation bias has robbed them of the ability to comprehend an entire paragraph's worth of information at one time.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Frankly, I am far concerned about the influence of extreme right wing evangelicals and the Catholic Church on Republican policies and practices.

    A party platform with a "sanctity of life" constitutional amendment that would effectively ban all abortions, even in the case of rape, incest and the health of the mother, and a "sanctity of marriage" amendment that would effectively ban gay marriage.

    Or policies like allowing "employers of conscience" to discriminate against women by not providing access to affordable contraception, anti-Sharia laws in many states that are nothing more than anti-Muslim fear mongering, anti-science laws denying the teaching of evolution as "science'.....

    I' wonder where the Mormon church stands on pandering to the religious right.
     
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
  15. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Sunday morning banter:

    "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" is an anagram of "My ultimate Ayn Rand porn"
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    A great bit of satire from a Middle-of-the-Road conservative pundit, David Brooks...
    Just friggin' funny...
    Now I want one for Obama...I guess I have to wait for the DNC convention....Damn I hate waiting.

     
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2012
  17. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Perhaps you should also go and listen to what Obama actually said. I can't believe you are buying into this sort of spin. You are smarter than that.
     
  18. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    i've heard the whole thing more times than i care too, and still come to the same conclusion. obama has no respect for people who have built a business.

    there's no bailout for the small guy. only the huge corporations.
     
  19. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    This comment confirms that I can't have a conversation with you as we can't even agree on the actual definitions of things. Obama is as socialist as Romney (i.e. he isn't a socialist and perhaps you aren't as smart as I give you credit for being).
     
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    If I recall, about 1/3 of the $200+ billion ARRA (stimulus) grant/contract funds were to small businesses (in addition to contracts to large businesses having requirements for pass throughs to small business sub-contractors). And $5+ billion in tax relief in the stimulus targeted to small businesses.

    The Small Business Jobs Act of 2010 had $ billions more in loan support and tax relief.

    But I might demand a refund from those whiners who claim they succeeded all on their own.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2012
    • Like Like x 1