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Politics Sarah Palin

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Charlatan, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

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    I know she's has largely been marginalized these days but Sarah Palin continues to try and stay in the spotlight of American politics.

    She is being discussed in our War on Christmas thread and is invoked, from time to time, in the GOP thread.

    Do you think she is anything more than a punch line to a joke? Do you think she will have any real influence on US politics?

    My belief is she is in this to make money and little else. There is a lot of money to be made in books and the speaking circuit. I am just astounded that anyone would want to hear what she has to say.

    I will also put this video here. A commentary by Martin Brashir... it's pretty harsh and I am surprised it hasn't made more of a splash. Perhaps this is just further proof that nobody cares what she says, or, by extension, what people say about her...


    View: http://youtu.be/3fbJE3RUJMw
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    She is an attention-monger. (I'm not going to say "whore" on the 2nd half of that, because I respect them way more than her)

    She says what she says to get the masses that favor her going.
    She uses their anger and mis-directed frustration to fill her pockets.

    I can only hope that she fades sooner or later.
    But like any leech she'll find someone to suck on.
    And unfortunately, someone else will replace her even if she does fade.

    Thank god she didn't become VP.
    Boy that was a bullet missed.
     
  3. Xerxes

    Xerxes Bulking.

    I thought that the jokers that were running last time (herman cain, palin et al) were essentially kisses of death. Kind of like the KKK endorsing you. I have no idea why palin is still relevant. She is incredibly hateful I feel I can start comparing her to Westboro Baptist and other groups that cater to spreading misinformation to make a living.
     
  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Palin is a caricature of the new extremist Republican that relies on fear mongering and misinformation. Her analysis of any policy she opposes is to characterize it as socialist, anti-Christian, or unpatriotic anti-American, but I'm really not sure if it is just pandering to the base or a real lack of understanding of public policy.

    When she was thrust into the national spotlight, it was clear how shallow she was and how far over her head she found herself. So, in some respect, I give her credit for recognizing that fact, quitting her job in mid-term and cashing in on her new niche market of "true believers" and even pimping out her kids and husband to make a buck.

    She will continue with her absurd divisive pontificating in much the same manner as a Limbaugh or Beck, but she'll never run for office again because she knows that beyond her relatively small base of followers, she is seen for the fraud she is and to become a two-time loser would marginalize her market value.

    But the ignorance and intolerance she espouses contributes to the harshness of the divide in this country as much as the Limbaughs and Becks and that is why she still matters.
     
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  5. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    I have placed her and the assholes who listen to her (and others like her) so far out of my range of consciousness that I never ever see them. I prefer it that way. It's easier on the nervous system.
     
  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Palin reminds me of many of the conservative commentators who pander to the knee-jerk conservatives who believe anything, no matter how distorted, that supports their views. The cheerleaders for all things conservative pretty much took over talk-radio in Houston.

    I agree with the comment that Palin and many of the conservative loudmouths are in it for the $$. Unfortunately they seem to wield a lot of influence, and/or are able to grab a lot of media attention.
     
  7. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass Donor

    Location:
    Colorado
    Sorry; but sometimes the term is just appropriate.

    She seems better at whoring out her family, than anything else. I'm still hoping for a sane conservative party. I won't vote for them; but I'd prefer they exist.
     
  8. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I would support her for President. She may run for Senate and could win.

    Yes. People who support her, trust her. Candidates she supports will get a boost. People who do not like Palin won't support candidates she supports anyway. She is currently at odds with old guard entrenched elements of the Republican Party, I am too, as are many others. In order to win in 2016 the party will have to address the Tea Party wing in one way or another. The party lost with McCain and Romney, both moderates with no conviction, no fight, no fire - if they go this route again the Tea Party will split off and run a third party candidate. Palin will have influence in this. Sure, liberals want Palin to be a joke...but it is not about them at this point and their views have no value at this time.

    There are easier ways to make money. She was o.k. with her life before McCain asked her to run as VP - she has made some money but outside of having some security I doubt money is her primary motivator.

    I love her speaking style. I like Bush's also. I actually tend not to like people who are too good at parsing their words, like Obama is - Obama can speak for 20 minutes and not say anything - and everyone walks away with a different message - and later he can manage his past statements to fit whatever he needs it to fit. I like clarity. I like declarative sentences. I acknowledge others have different tastes and some connect being smooth communicator with intellect, I don't. Conviction, trust are two of my priorities I look for in leaders. Giving a good speech is way down towards the bottom on my list. I am not the type of person who gets motivated by speeches.
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    You have to be kidding. Have you read/heard what people write and say about her? This started before anyone outside of Alaska even knew who she was. She is female, outside the beltway, went to the wrong school, religious, a mom who loves her family, a self-made business person and politician and was immediately hated for these reasons. Problem is that she is a fighter and fought back - pseudo-intellectuals find that intolerable. I find it amusing. I think I am the only one who like Palin on TFP, but outside of the President seems she is the single most discussed person on this forum, why? I have said many times, if people simply ignored her she would go away - or would she....boo ha ha ha...liberals worst nightmare.:rolleyes:
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    This liberal views Palin as a bad joke, but a bad joke who does have some pull to influence the Republican party, even if from the fringe/outside. Her influence might be useful more so to the Democrats than the Replublicans if she can help cause rifts in the Republican party. I hope to see much infighting in the RP; if Palin can help it along that's fine with me.

    A less taunting tone would help your argument (a very good one, BTW).
     
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  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Toronto
    I sincerely doubt that many people worth listening to hate her for being a loving religious mother who is from a certain place and went to a certain school to become an entrepreneur and politician. I don't know where you get that idea. I don't know what you're reading and listening to, but maybe it's best to read/listen to something else.

    No one worth reading or listening to has a problem with her standing up for what she believes in or striving for change. The problem is what she believes and how she goes about to foster change she believes in.

    Palin is a populist ideologue who uses misinformation (if I'm being nice), or propaganda (if I'm not), to push her agenda of American exceptionalism, anti-intellectualism, socio-political individualism (anti-tax, anti-welfare state), and Traditional American Family Values™ (anti-secular, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-feminist, etc.). This is what people have a problem with—it's her goals, methods, and beliefs.

    What you find amusing is a broad misconception of what people are most concerned about regarding Palin. It's not that she's a woman, or a Christian, etc. You've set up a not-so-clever straw man as a way to paint Palin as a beleaguered hero, if not a victim. These "pseudo-intellecuals" you speak of aren't worth listening to, for ether of us, because they distract from the real issue: Palin's message and agenda. Those who laugh at Palin are often simply amazed at how far she goes with these. They also laugh at her when she trips up, because she often does so both online and on air.

    Palin is a rabble-rouser, and her aim is to trivialize or otherwise suppress the well-being and rights of those who aren't like her. Whether she truly believes her image of America is as pure and good as she says it is, is beside the point.

    But what's really beside the point is your image of Palin's critics.

    A liberal's worst nightmare is often one of two things:

    1) An intelligent centre-right conservative politician with integrity, intellectual honesty, a good reputation, and a lot of dedication.

    2) A populist far-right conservative ideologue with an appealing facade and propaganda that gets eaten up by the angry, tired, frightened, confused masses.
     
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  11. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    It is sad that there is no real debate going on in the Democrat Party. We face big issues, are liberals, progressives and moderates all really in sync? I doubt it. I think Democrats fear speaking out, I don't understand why. Perhaps it is easier when a Republican is President. Many Republicans had no problem letting Bush know how disappointed we were with his second term domestic economic policy. In spite of what many think, the Tea Party movement started when Bush was President.

    Only for my loved ones, the elderly, children and disabled.
    --- merged: Nov 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM ---
    She is being targeted in a current thread regarding her religious views on Christmas.
    She was attack on her view of abortion and her downs syndrome child.
    She was attacked as a hypocrit for supporting her daughter having a child out of wedlock.
    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    She has my greatest respect for what I know about her motherhood.

    She was attacked for transferring schools.
    She was attacked for her performance as a basketball player.
    she was attacked for being in a beauty pageant.
    She was attacked for being a sport reporter.
    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    She was attacked for no political experience.
    She was attacked for her political experience.
    They made fun of her Alaskan lifestyle.
    She was attacked for owning fishing business.
    She was attacked for hunting.
    etc.
    etc.
    etc


    Ok., I give. You win. Nothing of note here.
     
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  12. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
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    Ace...everything you said about attacks on Palin could be said about attacks on Obama and more. Or Bill and/or Hilllary Clinton or most political figures who run for national office (eg attack on John Kerry or George Bush's wealthy background and "war" records). They all took it stride and thin-skinned Palin played the victim and became a whiner.

    As to her being "targeted in a current thread for her religious views on Christmas" you are doing exactly what Palin does.....misrepresenting the "attach" which was simply the fact that her book has little to do with a religious celebration of Christmas and much to do, based on what reviews I've read, about attacking secularists, Obama, Hillary Clinton, soclalists, muslims, etc.
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    My favorite Palinism is the one in which she suggests that media "attacks" or criticism of her might be an infringement of her First Amendment Rights.

    "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don’t know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."
     
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  13. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Right. I acknowledge when I am commenting on Obama in a biased manner. I acknowledge that I do not trust him. I acknowledge that I do not like his style. And when I disagree on a policy issue, I seperate my personal views from my views on policy issues.

    I am also consistent. I respect Obama's as a father and husband. I respect Obama for his rise from near poverty in a single parent household. And I respect a guy like Dennis Kucinich for having conviction even if I disagree with him and I would vote for him based on conviction any day of the week before voting for a guy like McCain.

    The attack against Palin are simply ridiculous.



    I have not read the book, and had no plans on reading it. I doubt I would rely on reviews of her book, from people who ironically can get attention from attacking the woman, to draw any conclusions. But you go ahead and have fun with that.
     
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  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    But not for being Christian.

    But not for being a Christian mother.

    But not for being a Christian mother.

    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    That's nice.

    ???

    Irrelevant.

    Irrelevant.

    Irrelevant.

    Irrelevant.

    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    Why not focus on what matters instead of being baited? Why not focus on the legitimate critiques?

    This is common, and can be a legitimate critique. She's far from special here.

    But not for being a politician. Her political record is open to critique; that's a part of being in public office. She's not special here.

    Irrelevant. (Again, focus on legitimate critiques.)

    Irrelevant.

    Irrelevant.

    etc.
    etc.
    etc

    Is that because you ignored all the legitimate stuff I took the time and effort to type out? Swept it under the rug? Pretended it wasn't there?

    Do you support Palin because of or in spite of having similar political techniques?

    One day you're going to surprise the shit out of me and actually talk about the core issues that matter instead of weaselling your way to trivial bullshit so that you can claim to be right (albeit irrelevant).

    I won't hold my breath.
     
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  15. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    If not for her Christianity she would not be a topic of conversation for liberals. Many liberals perceive her to be intolerant and at the core of the intolerance is her religion in their minds.

    Over and over we heard about how she was a hypocrite as it related to her un-wed daughter having a baby. This, directly related to her faith and her being a mother. Those who presented the criticism never took the time to understand the basis of what it honestly means to be a Christian mother. It would have been easier for (and really hypocritcal) if she forced her daughter to get an abortion. But Palin took the heat as a public figure and showed love and support to her daughter and grand-son. I can see some in a similar situation not showing that kind of love and support and/or forcing the child to get an abortion.

    We see these issues from very different points of view. No reconciliation of our differing view points seem possible.

    Here is a link to Bashire's apology to Palin.

    Martin Bashir: 'I Am Truly Sorry' For Sarah Palin Comments (VIDEO)
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Toronto
    You seem to assume that most liberals aren't Christians. Is that the case? (I'm thinking Americans, anyway.) Even those who aren't Christians probably don't care that she's Christian per se and are more likely to target her intolerance and specific positions that aren't exclusive to Christians, nor universal among all Christians. (Nor required to be a Christian.)

    This is irrelevant. Is this really at the core of the critiques about Palin? I don't even think of these things when I think of Palin, and I have a lot to criticize about her.

    I think we're actually talking about separate issues. There's no point in even trying to reconcile our positions on different issues, and I'm not sure why you're even trying.

    I don't know who Martin Bashir is, but I'm not all that concerned about something stupid he said. What's interesting though is that it doesn't take away from the stupid thing Palin said. She bumbled what she was trying to say and failed to satisfy the non-racial, non-historial connotation of the term she was using.

    What's your point here? That certain people are too harsh on her shortcomings?

    Well, I agree, but as I've indicated, I'm not that concerned about these certain people. The problem of Palin still remains, and there are legitimate criticisms otherwise.

    What about the stuff that matters? I'm still wondering.
     
  17. fflowley

    fflowley Don't just do something, stand there!

    If Sarah Palin was not a hot chick nobody except a few of her friends from Wasila would even know her name.
     
  18. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

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    It's interesting... I find the way the aceventura is writing about Palin to be very similar to the way Rob Ford supporters speak of him.

    I would suggest they are very similar political creatures.
     
  19. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    wow, the hatred for palin is quite shocking.... she does nothing that other liberal or conservative politicians don't do but for some reason she is so hated.
     
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  20. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

    Location:
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    I never made the connection, but I totally see it. They're both populist rabble-rousers with rigid and limiting political ideologies. I'd say Ford is worse on those counts though. I'd say Palin has broader political goals.