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Politics Sarah Palin

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by Charlatan, Nov 17, 2013.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    I agree. I think it stems from ignorance and a sense of futility. On the worst counts, it's probably fear and anxiety.

    I think American politics would be much more functional without this sort of hatred. It's probably one of the biggest problems right now.

    America would be way more interesting if people focused on what mattered. Instead, they tend to distract from it.
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  2. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted Donor

    She did do something that few other liberal or conservative politicians do: she got nominated for Vice President, and subsequently was taken seriously as a presidential possibility. Those things made her emormously more visible (at least for a time) than any ordinary governor or senator.

    Think of Paul Ryan, say, or John Edwards, or Joe Lieberman. Once a politician gets to that level, they become almost more a symbol than a person.

    I'd venture to say that Sarah Palin was far better known in her time than vastly more powerful contemporaries like Dennis Hastert or Nancy Pelosi or Condoleeza Rice.
     
  3. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass Donor

    Location:
    Colorado
    It's really her anti-intellectual, facts optional approach that offends me. Loading up the airwaves with hypocracy, then claiming to be a victim when you are called on it, is a bit over the top. Intellectual honesty would not seem to be one of her stronger points.
     
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  4. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Populist??? I have never had nor have any populist views. The spectrum of my views are not even easily characterized. I am conservative, but socially liberal. I believe in free market principles but see value in some socialist policy. I support limit government but strong military with no problem with preemptive action. Marriage between a man and woman is special but I do not think public policy should reflect that. The real problem is in a failure to hear what others say, I put special effort into it, do you?
     
  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    Toronto
    I was speaking about Palin and Ford, who base their political drive on populism by pouring on the rhetoric to appeal to the public, or "the little guy." It's only when you actually analyze what they say that you realize they're by and large full of shit, not to mention at least somewhat hypocritical.

    This doesn't seem to faze a lot of their supporters. I guess it's because they're, as they say, "drinking the Kool-Aid." If they don't fervently believe what they say is true (despite the absence of evidence), they certainly really, really want what they say to be true (despite the existence of evidence challenging it or rejecting it).
     
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  6. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Palin's is the little guy and that is part of her popularity, it is not that she is popular speaking empty rhetoric about the little guy, i.e. Bill Clinton or remember John Edwards. Palin a real small town person, from the least populated state, a few years removed from the PTA, raising a real family with real issues, a small business owner, etc - she understands and speaks for "the little guy" in ways others do not. For the record there are many different categories of "little guy". For example small business owner often feel neglected by Washington insiders, the lawyers, bureaucrats, professional politicians, academics, high paid lobbyist, unions and many other groups. It is always refreshing when someone voices real concern and understanding of what it means to run a small business in this country. And the fact she is not a polished speaker, saying all the right things at the right time, enhances her appeal to many of us - because I know if I were thrust into the limelight I would make my share of mistakes on the national stage. The more people attack, it is then with that much more vigor I will defend. leave her alone and I will not bring her up.
     
  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

    Location:
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    That's a strong aspect of her rhetoric, yes. I now see why you support her so strongly. Rob Ford works in the same way (especially the speaking part). This is exactly what I'm saying.

    What you described and what Palin and Ford do are how populism works.

    Beneath the veneer is what's really interesting.

    If only you'd handle criticisms the same way. Instead, you'd rather deflect from them or ignore them. Is that because you don't think Palin could pass muster? Or is it more about Palin's way or no way? I've noticed that you aren't all that opposed to Palin's brand of authoritarianism.
     
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  8. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Where ever I roam
    So Palin is worried about the national debt...Why don't we cut the defense dept by 66%, close down a bunch of military academies, Sell off unneeded bases for real estate, close down foreign bases, cut the highway fund, tax financial transactions on Wall St., increase the gas tax $1/gallon... That will make a difference. Whatever Palin suggests won't do much, and the "Drill, Baby, Drill" will just cause more problems for anyone not getting those checks from the oil companies.
     
  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    My biggest issue with Palin was that she was the least qualified person to run for national office (Pres/VP) in my lifetime and it was evident, to me at least, that she was not ready for prime time. Her depth of knowledge of major public policy issues was abysmal and her responses to the simplest questions were nothing more than trite sound bites with no substance (much like the Tea Party members of Congress today). And when pressed, she blamed the questioner and made it all about the "lame stream" media and personal attacks and attempted to build herself up as a real American standing up to those who want to tear the country down. Demagoguery at its worst. She was a fraud, was outed as a fraud and in over her head and responded in the only way she knew...blame everyone and everything but her own shortcomings.
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    Palin in her own words on her foreign policy credentials:

    Ace..do you believe that this "experience" provides real foreign policy credentials? And to question it is a personal attack?
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    Ace...was this a "gotcha" question or a reasonable attempt to understand where Palin stands on important Supreme Court decisions?

    High school kids have a deeper understanding of many landmark Supreme Court decisions.

    edit: maybe not high school kids, but certainly TFP members are more knowledgeable about Supreme Court decisions.
     
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  10. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    Palin's a professional victim and attack dog all at the same time. She spews forth bullshit like death panels and Putin invading US airspace, something as CNC of the Alaska Air National Guard she should have known was horseshit. She tosses out the victim card anytime she make a asinine comment and people point out it's crap. About one thing I respect about her is I believe she's made as decent of effort as most people to be a good parent, I don't think that's an act. I also rather doubt her faith is an act, I do wish she spend a little more time reading Jesus' quotes and little less Ayn Rand . Her "look I'm a hunter" and "look I know a lot about______ (insert just about any political or historical subject here)" is all stage craft and bullshit. Her bitching about Obama needing a teleprompter while she herself not only uses one but can't get through a simple Q&A without reading notes off her hand is just more utter nonsense.

    In short she's an embarrassment politically and history will bare that out. I don't hate her, hating folks says more about the hater then the hatee. I simply have no interest in her running any part of our federal government.
     
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  11. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    as a conservative i totally forgot about her after they lost the election. i mean she shows up on talk radio and tv shows, but i think the left makes her more important than she is. this was years ago, is she really this relevant still?
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Well, I thought most wrote her off as a potential after she resigned half-way through her only term.
    But she's like the "Paris Hilton" of politics, managing to get herself out in front despite that.

    I don't think she's relevant, except for her ability to say things that get people emotional. (either way)
     
  13. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage Donor

    Location:
    Temasek
    Let's be honest here. The so-called left would not make any noise about her if the right didn't keep waving her about like a red flag in front of a bull.

    She is low-hanging fruit that (let's face it) anyone can point to as what is wrong with populist politics.
     
  14. Fremen

    Fremen Allright, who stole my mustache? Donor

    Location:
    E. Texas
    I heard she was coming to the city nearest me next week, I believe.
    I felt a chill upon hearing it.
     
  15. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    You know I think I'd go. For the same reason I went to a few Tea Baggger events. The right kept saying "oh, these rallies and event are being portrayed as racists and homophobic and full of people threatening violence, they're nothing like that." BULLSHIT, I went, I saw I listened. They're being portrayed as something they are, not something they're not.
     
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  16. Spiritsoar

    Spiritsoar Slightly Tilted

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    New York
    I'll just leave this here.
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  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member Donor

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    Toronto
    She really should just stop. Seriously.

    Just stop.
     
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  18. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    The sad part is that when she ran for governor she had support from many of Alaska's liberals (a very different beast from lower 48 liberals but liberals all the same).
    She had stood up to the good old boy network and ran as a centrist. Her first two years were a bit mixed but not awful.
    There was something called Troopergate but we won't get into that.

    Then she got picked to be Vice-President and it was like a switch was flipped.
    Some of it was Alaskan conservatism - Drill, baby, drill, is coded in their DNA,
    But it seemed like she was listening to conservative talk radio and writing all her talking points on her hand for her speeches.
    If you read some of the books about the campaign they talk about how frustrating it was working with her.
    She had one idea in her head of how it was going to work and refused any other approach.

    In general people in Alaska (even the conservatives) dislike her and they are in a position to know her best.
    As to picking on her lifestyle, I will never forget the TV show with her hunting and walking around with her finger in the trigger guard.
    I learned not to do that when I was ten.

    So what's all this verbiage in aid of?
    It's basically saying, she's a quitter, a grand stander with little or no substance and I don't dislike her because I'm a liberal.
    It's because she gave Alaska a bad name and every damn time I tell people I'm from there, they want to know about her.
     
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  19. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Foggy Bottom
  20. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    Wow! What a deal. Only 10 bucks a month for advice from Sarah Palin.