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So, who gets your vote?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. genuinemommy

    genuinemommy Moderator Staff Member

    *Please feel free to participate in this thread if you're not a US citizen. I'd love to see perspectives from outside the bubble.*

    Election years are always frustrating for me. I've never been a big fan of the 2-party system here in the US. This time it's especially bad for me because I absolutely cannot stand anyone who is running. Obama needs to go. But Romney will only make things worse.

    When it comes to election day, I want to leave the voting booth with a clear conscience, knowing that I voted for the person who I knew would be best for America. I'm not going to vote for someone because I'm convinced they stand a chance to win. What I need is someone who stands out, someone who is willing to approach the presidency from an entirely new perspective. So I've been looking at the various candidates, including 3rd party and independents. I figured I would lay them out for you here. I'd like to see your perspective on each person running, and how you personally would vote. I've included links.

    Party: Presidential candidate / VP running mate
    Democratic Party: Barack Obama / Joe Biden
    Republican Party: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan
    Libertarian Party: Gary Johnson / James P. Gray
    Green Party: Jill Stein / Cheri Honkala
    Constitution Party: Virgil Goode / Jim Clymer
    Justice Party: Rocky Anderson / ?
    Peace & Freedom Party: Roseanne Barr / Cindy Sheehan
    Party for Socialism & Liberation: Peta Lindsay / Yari Osario
    Reform Party: Andre Barnett / Kenneth Cross
    Objectivist Party: Tom Stevens / Alden Link
    Socialist Workers Party: James Harris / Marua DeLuca
    Socialist Party: Stewart Alexander / ?


    Then there's a few people who are running as independent:
    Randall Terry
    Robert Burck
    Terry Jones

    At the moment, the most outlandish presidential candidates seem to be the Naked Cowboy (Robert Burke) and Roseanne Barr. Though Robert Burke hasn't gotten press for several months and I'm not convinced he's still running. Jill Stein of the Green Party and Roseanne Barr of the Peace & Freedom Party are the only candidates with an all-female ticket. Honestly the thought of a woman in the role of president is an enticing prospect, but I'm not a big fan of the ideals these particular women represent.

    What qualities do you think America needs in a president this time?
    What candidate best fits your interests?
    Will you vote for that person? If not, who will get your vote?
     
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  2. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    im almost always a third party voter, but i've lost hope with getting a 3rd party off the ground. i think the model has to be to infilitrate the current establishment to get anywhere similar to how ron paul did in the gop.

    i guess it's mitt romney ticket just because i cannot stand obama's policies.
     
  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I want a forward thinking economic policy that will maintain or restore US economic competitiveness; that means investing in education and job retraining, R&D, investing in clean energy, balanced trade policies, etc. -- Obama comes closest to my economic policy vision.

    I want a health policy that provides universal coverage in a single payer system, but that is near impossible in the short term and the Affordable Care Act that increases access to the uninsured as well as providing expanded coverage and consumer protection to those already insured is the next best alternative -- Obama

    I want an energy policy can truly make US energy independent over time and that means less subsidy of big oil and more subsidy of clean/alternative energy and focus on conservation -- Obama

    I want tax policies that support and protect the middle class and working poor, not the top 1%; and a balanced approach to debt reduction-- Obama

    I want environmental regulatory policies that are both environmentally and economically sustainable -- Obama

    I want policies that maintain a temporary social safety net for those in need and provide long term security to seniors - - Obama

    I want policies that protect women's reproductive rights and the right of gay couples to marry -- Obama

    I want a defense policy that is less unilateral but does not isolate the US from world affairs -- marginally Obama


    I was a Hillary Clinton supporter in '08 (and still believe she would have been a better president than Obama) but my vote will be cast for the candidate that has come closest to embracing my vision of what is "best for America" -- Obama

    Gary Johnson is the most reasonable libertarian I have seen in a long time and might actually impact the election in New Mexico (his home state) and nearby states.

    And finally, the most outlandish candidates -- Randall Terry (the anti-choice extremist) and Pastor Terry Jones (anti-Muslim extremist), both of whom push the envelope in hate speech bordering on calls for violence.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    You know...the funny thing is this.

    I know that I'm a situationalist/pragmatist...so I don't vote ideals.
    I volte for who's going to do the best for what I know of them. Who's going to work their asses off. Who can accomplish the most.

    I test right smack down the center.
    I have "conservative" values, I have "liberal" values. I have Libertarian values, I have Progressive values.
    I think the GOP are raving maniacs, I think the Dems are spineless clusterfucks.
    And every other party than that, are disorganized, powerless and cater to their extremists and put up lame candidates for the most part.

    I test in one automated test...it says that I'm a Neo-Nazi...I test in another says that I most value Jill Stein from the Green Party.

    I'm voting for Obama.
    Period.
    I've literally seen the inside of what him & his administration is doing...and I like what I saw.
    I saw an administration trying to do it right...stream-line that government down, that the GOP is always saying is so big.
    Whittle-down the funds and inefficiencies. Take down the bureaucratic territories, ignore the pork, ignore the ear marks.
    EVERYTHING the GOP and Libertarians "say" they are going to do. (but when they get into power, they spend BIG or give it away)

    God-knows what they could have done if they hadn't had the GOP maniacs stuck in every vote....voting opposite, no matter what.
    No, he is NOT communist, NOT socialist, NOT spend-crazy.
    Yes, he IS setting up systems and policies within the government to get it under control.

    I do NOT care what your GOP talking heads say, your viewer hunting media questions...I see what I saw, I see what I'm seeing.
    You don't believe me...fine, your choice.

    Do I think the man is holy or perfect?? FAR from it. I hate that he hasn't prosecuted anyone on Wall Street. (BILLIONS of fraud and neglect)
    I hate that he seemingly gutted NASA. (but that's now looking different for the long run)
    I think that he has a terrible time of promoting what he HAS done. He sucks at political negotiation with illogical/irrational ego-driven politicians.

    He's a Wonk. And he works his ass off.
    He's balanced...he plays the long game.
    And he at least MAY have some little leverage with a pathetic established party that he MIGHT be able to move in the right direction. (The Dems)

    All the others, either are unknowns, won't do what they say, are too extreme
    or other than the GOP would have TONS of work/politics trying to get the two big parties to do what they want.
    You want a different prez than GOP or Dem? Vote in a decent amount of another party, then we'll talk.

    And as of right now, no WAY am I voting for Romney.
    While I may have in the past, because I "thought" that he may be rational and middle-right.
    Over this time I've seen that he wouldn't work his ass off for me. (from his pace as MA governor)
    And his word is shit, he'll say anything....and he's ready to give the house away to his interests. (IMHO, just my observation)

    Actually, you want me to vote GOP, put in Condi Rice. Or David Petraeus (they seem to have some integrity and balance and will work HARD)

    But from my best balanced bet, Obama.
     
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  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    There are a lot of different issues, and Obama isn't on the right side of all of them. But, he is the best shot at fixing the countries issues, if the right stops whining and complaining that is. The economy isn't nearly as bad as it was a few years ago.

    Obama/Dems/Greens should come out with a real balanced budget. Cut 50% of the military (eliminate Coast Guard and shift their jobs to other agencies(Navy, Border, NOAA), eliminate bases, reduce troop recruitment, do we really need 6 or 7 special forces units plus Marines, how about the college football teams, and more). And the other government agencies aren't immune. Also, the left should have some cuts to their programs too.

    The government should also try an provide more services that people would be willing to pay for. Or let people donate money to NASA or the DOE to fund some cool projects.

    Plus, estate taxes and raising taxes on certain type of income should happen to pay off the debt that benefited the wealthy during the last 30 years.

    I'm still voting for Obama instead of against Mitt. Although Mitt's speech yesterday with the coal miners was really bad. I don't care if the coal miners in Ohio lose their jobs. I am doing what I can to make that happen.
     
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I know I'm an outsider and all, but if you ask me, out of the two choices (which is weird to me), I think Obama is obvs.

    I think redux has outlined why quite adequately.
     
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  7. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Also an outsider, would also vote Obama for the same reasons.
     
  8. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I do think that we need to rethink how we vote for representatives. The Tea party can get lots of seats somehow, yet the green party and libertarian one can't. The Tea party lost a bunch of races because people voted against them too.

    With how my 'district' is drawn, it makes no sense. It would be better if you voted for the party at the state level and once you get 5% of the vote, you get a seat (if there are 20 seats). Then once you vote for your party platform, you choose/rank the candidates.

    It would make it so you voted 'for' something, and it should encourage more compromise in the house since it would take a lot more effort to change all of the Republicans into Tea partiers or Democrats into Occupiers.
     
  9. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    Definitely Obama. For all the right reasons listed above.
     
  10. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    i always thought something like that would be better. like you could vote as many people as you want so you aren't throwing a vote away if your 3rd party candidate lost.
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I've long had a problem with first-past-the-post voting. The marginal parties are further marginalized as the larger parties take more than their fair share of seats based on the popular vote—often far more than their fair share.
     
  12. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    In many ways I've come to look at the POTUS elections on the US as a choice of the lesser of two evils... which as many have pointed out is still evil. It's reached a point now where I think it about the same as choosing between Pepsi and Coke. After Romney locked up the GOP nom. I really lost a lot of interest in the race mainly because all the nut bags were weeded out. If a Bachman or Palin (no, it's not a woman thing. It's a crazy thing) were on the ticket I'd be in the US right now doing everything I could (legally, sanely, non-violently) to make sure they lost. But they're not so... meh. I honestly don't see where Mitt would do that many things different then Barack. Oh I know they make big statements about doing this or doing that but in the end they pretty much do the same thing. Often those things benefit the wealthy, the banks and large corporations and screw the average working stiff. Many of the things Obama said he'd do he didn't. His idea of compromise has often been what I'd call surrender. His record on things like closing GITMO, ending the wars, medical marijuana and even gay rights are not exactly stellar in my opinion. But in the end I think Mitt would do much worse in those areas then Obama so I'll vote Obama but I don't think he's a prefect match for my ideals and wishes. If I really thought Mitt was going to enact all the crap he talks about then I'd be worried, greatly worried. But I seriously believe he just wants to be POTUS and is saying whatever he thinks will put him in the office. Kind of like Obama in '08. Make a lot promises you know you'll never be able to or possibly even try to up hold and once in office do pretty much the same things the last guy did.
     
  13. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    CT is going to Obama, no question about that. I'll probably vote for Stewart Alexander unless he picks a terrible VP.
     
  14. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    Unfortunately, elections in America = damage control. No one will be elected who doesn't suck and damage America, ergo, better to vote in the candidate who will suck less, and will do less damage to the country. In this case, I believe that ticket to be Obama/Biden, and I will vote accordingly. If all else were equal, my guess is that I would probably end up voting Green, although I have some problems with their platform and agenda also. But at this point, the Green Party couldn't get Superman elected to the Justice League.
     
  15. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    I've been watching team Romney more closely since he choose Ryan. I thought Mitt's flip flop were bad before. Gez, Mitt can't even decide if he's going to agree or disagree with Ryan's budget which I think is crap. But team Romney seems to agree with it one day and disagree, has his own budget pan, the next. One day they're different and the next they're the freaking same. You'd think before you rolled out a VP pick you figure out what you agreed with and what you did not.

    I stand by my "Mitt will say anything to get elected." What he'll actually do is a mystery. Kind of like his taxes.
     
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  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    This is exactly why it would be a bad thing for him to be elected.

    • He's against Obamacare. He's going to repeal it. Says the guy behind Romneycare.
    • He used to support women's right to choose; now he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade (and ditch Planned Parenthood).
    • Taxes are too high. He's going to cut them. Says the guy who refuses to release his own tax data (for obvious reasons).
    • He's already sabrerattling about Iran when he's not (yet) even in a position to influence foreign policy.
    • Now throw in a questionable alliance with someone whose politics is in large part influenced by Ayn fucking Rand.

    Who in hell is this guy?

    And to think there is more to it than that.
     
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  17. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    One thing we do know is that based on his voting record (including co-sponsoring a bill to give personhood status to a fertilized egg as one measure of his policy extremism), Paul Ryan is the most ideological extremist conservative VP choice to ever come out of Congress (does not include candidates like Palin, with no federal legislative voting record).

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  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Holy shit. He beat Cheney?
     
  19. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico

    Well Cheney's actually a run of the mill nut bag neo-con. His concerns were/are about money and protecting the US from evil doers like brown people. His religious ideas are left of people like Bush, Ryan, Palin et el.
     
  20. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    I agree with most of this sentiment and I will be voting for Obama.
    Perhaps more than Mitt Romney himself, I don't want to see him elected because of the message it will send to the free-roaming loonies out there and the possible consequences it could have on the decisions of (what I consider to be) a piece of mormon milquetoast residing in the white house.