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Politics The Donkey in the room...the Democrats today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. boink

    boink Slightly Tilted

    How many dead Texans, orphaned Texans would constitute a catastrophe ?
    Haven't paid attention to Texas virus response -checking- death toll is 37,760 so far.
    Pretty fucking catastrophic I'd say.

    Man I remember when Texas was blue. I remember a lady with a big blond beehive.
    But then I didn't pay a lot of attention.
  2. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Large City, TX
    Texas was largely blue, but don't be fooled, our Democrats were fairly conservative. In the battle of The Have Nots vs The Haves, many Texans moved to the other side of the stadium (the football reference for Texas is painfully appropriate).

    The Covid-19 numbers won't have much affect on voters in Texas. In fact, the elected officials who support science and follow medical suggestions will be more vulnerable than those who take the very popular Wait To See What Happens approach.

    I used to debate the definition of ignorance with a friend. He took the definition of lack of knowledge a step further to the the intentional avoidance of knowledge. His interpretation fits Texas voters in general.
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  3. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  4. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Large City, TX
    That ^ is a really good read.

    The skeptic in me first said it sounded romanticized and exaggerated, but I have no doubt the collective effort of the various groups definitely helped secure a fair election.
  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Opinion: I was skeptical of Democrats pursuing a second impeachment. I was wrong. (*if you can't get past WAPO paywall, try another browser, the cookie resets)

    The Dems need to keep pressing
    Just to make a record

    While the GOP will let T go
    The Record then can be used against him later
    In politics and law
    Because T will be involved with other suits and so on

    The lawyers and opposition can use this against him.
    And people will remember it more

    Gotta make anything negative stick

    This is a good example why....
    Trump can't hang on to lawyers after false election claims
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2021
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  6. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    They were also right in doing the trial now instead of waiting until Spring. A lot of people had moved on it seemed last week, but it doesn't feel like it happened a long time ago this week.
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  7. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Foggy Bottom
    Congressional Democrats have been moving quickly and aggressively on Biden's "American Rescue Plan" or stimulus 3.0, and will act with or without Republican support in the next few weeks.

    The $1.89 trillion proposal is moving through the House, with nine separate House Committees each writing a piece of the bill relevant to their respective jurisdiction; an approach that will allow the bill to be presented as a "budget reconciliation" bill and effectively block a Republican filibuster in the Senate.

    It includes provisions to help working families (another $1,400 'stimulus' check and extended unemployment benefits through the summer), small businesses (particularly restaurants and the leisure/services sector), funding to help reopen schools safely, for resources to ramp up vaccinations, to help state/local governments facing budget shortfalls as a result of the pandemic and more.

    The most controversial issue is the attempt to include a proposal to increase the federal minimum wage from the current $7.25/hour to $15/hour (incrementally over a period of six years) that will pass in the House version but may not survive the Senate.

    Update last week from Pelosi on the work of those nine committees, all of which have now completed their work:

    The proposals from those nine committees goes to the Budget Committee on Monday to be combined into one bill.

    One minor glitch that will need to be addressed is that the nine separate proposals add up to $1.95 trillion that exceeds the $1.89 trillion ceiling, so either a few cuts need to be made or a few revenue sources (tax increases) added. It should clear the Budget Committee, then onto the Rules Committee for one last approval to be sure it can be voted on as a budget reconciliation bill before it goes to the full House for a vote by Friday, where it will certainly pass. There is even the possibility of some Republican support in the House, given how

    Then, the rest test begins and Bernie Sanders, as Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, will take the lead to move it forward with two obstacles to overcome.

    The first is if the minimum wage provision will pass the "Byrd Rule" test. This is a decision by the Senate Parliamentarian that Bernie cant control but he is confident...

    Sanders 'confident' $15 minimum wage would be allowed via reconciliation

    Assuming approval by the Parliamentarian, Bernie must then convince several Senate Democrats, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and possibly Krysten Sinema from Arizona to support the inclusion of the minimum wage provision. Both have expressed some opposition to raising the minimum wage to $15.

    The outcome is far from certain. If not, the minimum wage increase is dead, but Senate Democrats can still pass the stimulus bill without facing a Republican filibuster.

    The goal is to have the bill on Biden's desk before March 14 when current extended unemployment benefits for 10+ million workers expire.

    This will be a significant achievement for Biden in his first month in office.
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  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Foggy Bottom
    The fate of the Democrat proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $15/hour (incrementally over five years) is in the hands of an English literature major and the Senate’s first woman parliamentarian...

    For Senate rules arbiter, minimum wage is latest minefield
    As noted in the link in the previous post, Bernie Sanders thinks the provision passes the "Byrd Rule" and she will allow the provision to remain in the stimulus bill when it reaches the Senate next week. I agree.
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  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Foggy Bottom

    View: https://twitter.com/DNCWarRoom/status/1365777625483010067

    A reminder to America's working families of who gave them another stimulus check ($1,400 single/$2,800 couple), extended emergency unemployment insurance for another six months, affordable health insurance if they lost employer insurance, emergency loans for family owned businesses, funding to open schools safely and more to get through the pandemic....

    ...not one Republican.

    More: DNC releases video hitting Republicans on vote against coronavirus relief bill

    The "American Rescue Plan" still must pass the Senate and will likely not include the increase in the minimum wage that is in the House bill.

    Senate Democrats are confident that a Republican filibuster can be blocked and the bill passed and on Biden's desk before current emergency unemployment benefits expire on March 14.
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  10. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Foggy Bottom
    After an all-nighter and working non-stop through the morning voting down dozens of Republican amendments, the Senate just passed the $1.9 trillion COVID relief bill by a vote of 50-49.

    One Republican, Dan Sullivan, was absent due to a family emergency back home in Alaska so Kamala Harris was not needed to break a tie vote.

    The Senate bill does not include the minimum wage increase provision that was in the House bill and has several other minor changes so that it must now go back to the House for another vote.

    Consider it a done deal and on Biden's desk something next week.

    A significant win for Biden...and for working families, small businesses, health care providers and others at a time that we can hope is nearing the end of the pandemic.

    More: Senate passes $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill as Democrats push to approve law before enhanced jobless aid expires
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Ok, they've got this off their checklist. Something is better than nothing.
    Now they can focus on more things (as the vaccines take hold...and hopefully bring that factor to a soft landing.)

    What they can do is an infrastructure bill.
    Or lock down voting rights and ethics laws more.
    Or, or, or, etc...

    But they can also knock down any "do nothing" commentary.
    It's going to be a busy 6 months...Congress (Dems) and Independents are scrambling.

    Remember this is only been 1 month...getting in, settling in, inauguration done, impeachment done.
    Now to hunker down for the marathon.

    The key is NOT to argue and shoot themselves in the foot.
    Make this a good relay race instead, (you're all a team)

    Let the other team trip over themselves.
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Why Democrats may defy history and win the 2022 midterms — CNN Politics

    Forget all the mumbo jumbo

    IF they against the GOP, it’s because they’re tired of the chaos, madness and BS.

    The Dems just have to play it cool
    And let the GOP hang themselves.

    Most of the public typically votes the opposition just because they’re pissed at the system and usual log jam.

    But, this time there’s not a viable or even sane alternative

    WhatTheFuck else is there???
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  13. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam

    Or this link doesn't have a paywall: DCCC chair: Criticisms on socialism, defund the police are 'Republican caricature'

    While the DCCC chair isn't calling it an 'autopsy', since they won, there were some real problems in that they didn't win a lot more. But, it will be a fine line between blaming the activists for being too radical in their messaging, compared to the boring Democrats not being worth voting for.
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member


    View: https://twitter.com/amyathatcher/status/1413086011152814088?s=21
    Damn straight!

    I guess rights only count when it’s something YOU want.
    Not the other person.

    * see the definition of “hypocrisy”

    EXCEPT when your choice is hurting others.
    Ex: like drunk driving.

    They are saying that you are potentially harming others, by not getting the antivax.

    Get it.
    Deal with it.
    Help others.
    At least one party understands this.
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Opinion | There’s only one way for Democrats to beat back the GOP war on democracy

    Yes, VOTE
    Get out the vote.

    But it DOES help that more of them will be dead.
    From their own stupidity and paranoia, being stubborn about the antivax.

    So…if you don’t get the shot.
    They’re not just hurting others
    But they hurting their vote count.

    Ironic, they’re repressing the vote.
    But thru their idiotic notion, they’re repressing themselves.
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  16. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Where ever I roam
    It is a giant unknown what voter turnout on both sides will be in next year midterms and in 2024.

    And the people saying demographics are going to fix it or one side is dying at a higher rate is not helping. It might make a difference in 2060 in a few congressional districts. Unless Democrats move to states that are passing lots of laws right now that they don't like, I don't see demographics or age shifting the senate far enough to matter.

    After looking at the numbers locally, the Democrat running for the state house lost by about 20,000 votes in 2020. There are some differences, but it seems most people vote for the red or blue team if they show up to vote at all. The Republicans have been losing ~2,000 votes every 4 years since 2008. That means it could easily be 2060 before there is a chance to win here. Same with the congressional seat, but the senate and governor really m matters on who it is.
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Democrats Should (Privately) Write Off 2022 and Just Govern

    Just get shit done!!!
    They forget WHY they're supposed to be there...to serve the nation and its citizens. Period!

    It's not for your power, influence, corruption, kickbacks, agendas, grand standing, networking, etc and so on...

    The country needs your support.
    The people need your support.

    Stop the tap dancing, put your nose to the grindstone. :mad:

    This is how you truly drain the swamp, where we are bogged down in.
    Not just saying it, DO IT!

    These idiots work harder at getting nothing done than lazy hogs snoozing in slop. :rolleyes:

    If the Dems want to win, then they need to show they are the adults in the room.
    Not wringing hands
    Not in-fighting
    Not saying oh woe is us
    Not even contradicting and fighting the GOP (they're choking themselves and showing they're idiots with words...and many have gone insane)
    Let your enemy sink themselves.

    You represent US, act like it!
    You're adults, act like it!
    You're leaders, act like it!

    Grow a spine, do your job, get RESULTS!

    That's how the Dems can stay...show they're not like the others.
    KISS principle.

    That or you can kiss our asses.
    Not that we'll vote ya out...the other side are a bunch of kooks. :eek::confused::oops:
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  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Congresswoman calls out old man yelling at clouds

    Damn, she’s good!!!

    “Old man” Ref was an appropriate contradiction and example…and a insult at the same time. :D

    This has been brought to you by The Dems
    And only the Dems (because people forget that Manchin is a Dem and there doesn’t have to be the old foil and opposition mentioned.)

    Yes, the Dems have an extreme spectrum of reps.
    More than that “other” group.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 11, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2021 ---
    New California law will force retailers to have ‘gender neutral’ toy sections

    IMHO, this is what Dems in trouble for "overreach" in CA and otherwise.
    This and the huge non-infrastructure bill going thru Congress, for example.

    The nation isn't made up of a bunch of progressives....it's fairly even politically and philosophy.
    They should have stuck to just the Infrastructure. Get an "easy" win on the focus (jobs, need, etc)
    Now, they're going for overkill, IMHO.

    Too many sweets, too quick.
    Should have built the momentum.

    There's so MANY other issues to deal with than this stuff.
    I'm not saying it's wrong or not. Just bad politics.
    The Dems shooting themselves in the foot again. :rolleyes:
    While their opposition is taking poison.

    Why can't they learn their lessons? :confused:
    It's not like this hasn't happened before.

    You'll, just started...win some first. Do it by steps.
    Or are y'all that afraid the GOP will take over again that fast???
    'Cause that's a whole different issue...and THIS ain't helping.
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  19. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Large City, TX
    I'd like to slap the shit out of the progressive leaders and point out just how narrowly the Democrats gained their very narrow control.

    -Get with Biden.
    -Choose your battles carefully. Fighting on too many fronts, esp over ridiculous crap, weakens your already precarious party.
    -Make real things happen that benefit real people.
    -Get this rolling before the '22 elections.
    -Keep it rolling into the '24 elections.
    -Help Biden get re-elected.
    -If you must start this Represent Every Tiny Minority bullshit, do so during Biden's second term.

    Seriously, what's next? Special consideration for Left-Handed Bi-Sexual Transgender Native American Dwarves Born In The Morning On An Odd Numbered Day?
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  20. pig

    pig Slightly Tilted Donor

    noyb, what do you have against LHBSTNADBITMOAOND+ people bud?
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