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Politics The Donkey in the room...the Democrats today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    She's also got a hard right history of anti-tax speech and action that'll destroy her the moment she gets important enough to spend money opposing. And that's to say nothing about how much the videos of her having literally nothing to offer when actually questioned about her blood libels against Israel will hurt her with the mainstream. She's going to get destroyed on the left by purity testing and is already cut off from the mainstream by her radicalism. The only way she'll survive is if she can pivot to victimhood like Sarsour and Mallory.
     
  2. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    Where ever I roam
    I have been too busy to get on-line for the past few weeks, but the Democrats managed to win enough seats in the suburbs that they have the majority in the House of Representatives. They did OK in the senate, but it was a very difficult senate map.

    The problem is that I would call it a split decision, even if millions more people voted for the Democrats in the House of Representative races, and they won more governorships. The reason is that their big names in the difficult races all lost. These are the races that it would have been good to win, and would have provided good future candidates for higher office. The races I am disappointed they lost are Florida Senate and governor, GA governor, Texas Senate, WV 3rd congressional district, OH governor, and Missouri senate.
     
  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Well, the disadvantage with not winning the Senate, the GOP can approve and disapprove appointments.
    However, the real advantage that getting the House does, it that it approves all funding and budget...it holds the strings to the pocketbook and appropriations.

    The Dems can now fund things it wants to save...and unfund things it wants to choke.
    And there's nothing the Senate or President can do about it.

    Even the President's budget is just a suggestion or request...House gets to work it any way they want.

    The Dems can now demand any tax records, in this capacity.
    And start their own investigations or checks against the other branches or parts of Congress.

    And the others will have to play nice or risk getting their funding pulled.

    The problem is for the GOP and the Administration is that the Dems will remember when they didn't play fair and played hardball...it's going to come back to bite them. The Dems do have memories.

    I think the only benefit the GOP and administration may have, is the Dems may not go full board on retribution or investigations. The Dems want to appear as if they're getting things done and can move things forward.
    So they can look like the "adults in the room" and make this claim in 2020 elections. They're hoping the voters see them that way...and have some actual memory and perspective.

    Or at least, that's what I'm hearing from the Dems spin so far.
    As with anything in politics, I'll believe it when I see it.
    Dems have their own issues.
     
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  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Welcome to the freshman class of the 116th Congress.

    Which party looks more like America?

    [​IMG]
     
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    More on the gender gap in the U.S. House of Representatives

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    If only they cared as much about the quality of someone's beliefs as they did the contents of their pants perhaps the Democrats wouldn't be all-in on an ideology over 80% of the country thinks is a serious problem for the country, in the name of a movement over half of women reject, to such a fanatic degree they'll cheerlead for naked antisemitism as long as it's done by people born with the right diversity checkboxes ticked.

    Who resembles America more you ask... That depends on whether your answer is only skin deep or not.
     
  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    In fact, the majority of Americans support the Democratic position on most issues:

    * immigration
    * climate change
    * health care
    * women's reproductive rights
    * civil rights/LGBTQ rights

    Facts matter.
     
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  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    * Environmental protection
    * Gun control
    * Social safety net
     
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  10. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    A good position on recycling isn't going to get someone to swallow a party that's comfortable mainstreaming people that think Hitler was just spiffy and the Jews got to go into positions of power.
     
  11. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Unite the Right rally, Charlottesville, VA


    White nationaliast shooter at Kansas Jewish Community Center, April 2014
    Man yells 'Heil Hitler' after fatally shooting 3 at Jewish centers

    Far right shooter at Pittsburgh synagogue, October 2018
    Pittsburgh Synagogue Shooter Spewed His Hate on Gab, the Alt-Right’s Favorite Social Network

    Given that you twice called me ant-Semitic, I have no intention of discuss your bias on that issue any further.

    Again, facts matter .

    A deflecting comment about recycling does not change the fact that on most public policy issues that impact people's daily lives, a majority of Americans are more supportive of Democratic policies than Republican policies across the board.
     
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  12. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist

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    Not all Republicans are Nazis but most American Nazis are Republicans.
     
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  13. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Not this shit again. You many not believe that republicans aren't discriminating against every non white and non christian, but Republicans believe they are.
     
  14. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    On the issue of religion, the current Congress as a whole is not very representative, with the Republicans being almost entirely Christian (Protestant, Catholic or Mormon) and only two Jewish Republicans in the House (none in the Senate). There are 32 Jewish Democrats (24 House/8 Senate) and all other minority religions ( or no religious affiliation) are all Democrats.

    [​IMG]

    The religious composition of the new Congress is very different from that of the U.S. adult population. While the number of self-identified Christians in Congress has ticked down slightly, Christians as a whole – and especially Protestants and Catholics – are still overrepresented in proportion to their share in the general public. But by far, the largest difference between the U.S. public and Congress is in the share of people who are unaffiliated with a religious group. In the general public, 23% say they are atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular.” In Congress, just one person says she is religiously unaffiliated – Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., who was recently elected to the Senate after three terms in the House.

    5 facts about the religious makeup of the 116th Congress
     
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  15. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Given that you far-more-than-twice accused everything from the New York Times to the Guardian of being part of a global Jewish conspiracy to control the news to their own nefarious Jewish Agenda before getting the admins to cover your tracks and hide the evidence I think you've got which of us is biased backwards.

    Then again that ties right in with the next point:

    Only according to the people who call orthodox and gay jews "nazis" and are so blindly fanatic they'll unironically write articles about "multicultural white supremacists" when confronted with the fact that the people they libel and slander as "nazis" are substantially more racially diverse than the almost 100% rich white social justice movement. When an ACTUAL Nazi finally showed up somewhere, and fyi he was actively anti-republican and bragged about how much effort they put into fighting against him, even Ted Cruz, one of the deepest red Republicans in politics right now, got on twitter and flat out told people to vote for a Democrat.

    Right wing antisemites are fringe lunatics opposed and hated by basically the entire world. An example of one being one of the only actual nazis to show up recently, the guy who used a regulatory loophole to force his way onto a ballot by registering in an area with no opposing candidate and who'd been strongly opposed by the GOP from the moment he crawled out of a hole.

    Left wing antisemites are mainstreamed to the point of being heads of major parties and major movements. An example of several being Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib who accuses Jews of the canard of Dual Loyalty, Louis Farrakhan who openly praises Hitler as a "great man" and denies the holocaust, and Linda Sarsour who claims the only reason she and Farrakhan have a bad reputation is the grand global Jewish conspiracy controlling the world's news media. Yknow... the same one Redux believes the New York Times is part of and dismissed every single link and citation I ever gave him as being part of.

    Like Redux said:

    And the fact is that orthodox and gay jews are not "nazis". Black, hispanic, and asian men are not "multicultural white supremacists". And violent antisemitism on the left is actively mainstreamed and universally defended all the way to the very top, to heads of major parties and movements, and even the most likely-to-be upcoming heads of government in major world powers.

    If you define a "nazi" as a racist that hates jews instead of a jew saying something you don't like then you'll start seeing a lot more of them on the left. You might even start to see it right here on this forum when someone repeatedly literally quotes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and hysterically accuses everything from the media to banks and governments of being part of a vast global Jewish conspiracy to push a Jewish agenda financed by Jewish money
     
  16. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Please refrain from lying about my past posts or making such false accusations.

    If you want to take the position that the Democrats are cheerleaders "for naked antisemitism as long as it's done by people born with the right diversity checkboxes ticked," knock yourself out; that is your right.

    You do not a right to misrepresent my posts or falsely accuse me of antisemitism.

    Thank you!
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2019
  17. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    You are partly right on the first part. And I worry about how the 2020 primaries are going to go. And while I don't have a strong favorite in the Democratic primary yet, I wouldn't mind having a white male candidate to take the race and gender trolls off the table. I just think that the women and non-white candidates who won do have quality beliefs. The issue is that the left has given up on trying to persuade, convince, and debate. For some issues like the environment, that is fine. The evidence and proof is on the scientists side. But, what policies the politicians want to enact is up for debate, yet they don't want to rain on people's parades. Unions are another thing that was lost in the 70's-80's because people were jealous or greedy. Yet a lot of our problems would have been avoided had we had effective unions. And it isn't antisemitism to say that Israel is overstepping it's boundaries, moving the embassy just to piss off the Palestinians and Muslims wasn't a good idea, that Israel gets a disproportionate share of foreign aid, and that a neutral 3rd party should be monitoring the guards and citizens at the border check points.

    But at the end of the day, more women on the Democratic side is a good thing, seeing how bad the white men on the right have messed up things.
     
  18. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist

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    @Shadowex3 Dude, you haven't been following politics in 2018 if you think only one Nazi, white supremacist, or antisemite ran as Republican.

    There have been more than a half dozen who have run for major office in 2018 alone and that doesn't count the ones who ran in city or state elections.
    Russel Walker in North Carolina who believes "jews are NOT semitic they are satanic".
    Arthur Jones in Illinois whose website calls the Holocaust the biggest, "blackest lie in history". He hates Trump so I guess there is that.
    Corey Stewart in Virginia while he's not a Nazi, just a white supremacist who loves the Confederacy - he thinks Jews are smart - until they burn in hell.
    Paul Nehlen in Wisconsin who is too racist for Gab the platform for the alt-right.
    John Fitzgerald in California is an avid Holocaust denier and believes diversity is a Jewish plot.
    Patrick Little also in California who blames ZOG (Zionist Occupied Government) for his loss at the polls.
    Sean Donahue in Pennsylvania who believes the Jews are arming Antifa and Black Lives Matter for an insurgency.

    And then we have fucking Steve King, who is in office and recently asked "what was so wrong with being a white supremacist?"
    The Republicans at least stripped him of his chairmanships and are actively shunning him right now but this isn't new behavior.
    The man has been a racist bigot for a very long time.

    Please be careful comparing me to other people when it comes to using the word Nazi.
    I don't throw it around easily.
    If someone is a white supremacist I will call them that.
    If they are a Nazi/NeoNazi I will use the term.
    I don't use them casually or without cause.
    People have to earn them, work for them, prove by word and deed they deserve them.
     
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  19. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    So you have fringe people actively opposed and fought by the entirety of the mainstream right and GOP establishment, often explicitly oppose to the point that major Republicans have flat out told people to vote Democrat instead.

    Let's contrast that with former congressman and Deputy Chair of the entire flipping DNC Keith Ellison, sitting congresswoman Tlaib, sitting congresswoman and DNC superstar Maxine Waters who has been a close personal friend of Hitler loving holocaust denier Farrakhan for many years, massively influential mainstream superstars and darlings of the left and DNC Linda Sarsour and Tamika Mallory... I can go on. I CAN go on.

    You just made my point for me. On the one hand you've got a handful of fringe lunatics that often actively opposed the Republican party as much as it did them which you have to pretend and lie are somehow representative of the electorate and party that devotes great effort to rejecting them. On the other hand you have deputy chairs of the entire DNC, party superstars, sitting officials, and some of the most powerful and influential political darlings today saying and supporting things orders of magnitude worse.

    You just can't compare a handful of rejects that hate the party, and that the party hates right back, to top party officials, rising stars, and mainstream leaders. The left mainstreams and institutionalizes its antisemites, it doesn't ostracize them and it would never in a million years get on twitter and tell people "Vote for a Republican instead of Rashida Tlaib/Maxine Waters".
     
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    The American public is standing firmly behind the Democrats in opposing Trump's government shutdown and holding much of the government hostage in his demands for $5+ billion for a border wall.

    • A Quinnipiac University poll found that 56 percent of voters held Trump and congressional Republicans responsible for the shutdown (the poll did not ask about the two separately). An additional 36 percent said they thought congressional Democrats were responsible. Only 2 percent of voters said that Trump’s national address changed their mind about building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border; 89 percent said it did not.
    • Fifty-five percent of Americans blamed Trump for the shutdown, while 32 percent pointed their fingers at congressional Democrats, according to a CNN/SSRS poll. (Respondents were not asked whether they blamed congressional Republicans.) The poll also found that most Americans did not support Trump’s proposal to build a border wall — 56 percent said they opposed the wall, and 39 percent said they were in favor of it. Those numbers are essentially unchanged from one month ago.
    • Asked for a CBS News/YouGov poll whom they blamed “the most” for the shutdown, 47 percent of Americans said Trump. Thirty percent said Democrats in Congress. Just 3 percent blamed congressional Republicans. But 20 percent of Americans placed the blame “equally” on all parties involved. The poll also found that a large majority of respondents were either “very” or “somewhat” concerned about the impact the shutdown would have on federal employees (74 percent), transportation and air travel (62 percent) and the economy (71 percent).