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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    roachboy, the answer is yes, people do buy into this. The struggling (and diminishing) middle class like to hear these stories. They hear their own story and people like to hear about themselves. They are spinning stories of "common sense". Anything more complicated is, To Long Didn't Read.
    --- merged: Aug 29, 2012 at 9:12 PM ---
    Was the snack break comment really necessary? He's a fat guy. That kind of comment plays right into their base.

    As for the speech, it was a brilliant speech. It spoke to their base perfectly. It touched on everything that a republican voter wants to hear (note I didn't say what they need to hear).
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Sigh...if it didn't work...they wouldn't do it.
    Unfortunately, it does...a significant portion of the population responds to symbolism and rhetoric...not facts & stats.

    It's like the movie Moneyball...the people judge according to what they think they should act on...what makes it a game, the warm & fuzzies.
    NOT to realities, trends and true numbers.

    It's emotional, not intellectual.
    And many are offended by that remark too. (those elitists...:rolleyes: )
     
  3. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Necessary? No but it made me feel better to say it at the time. Now that my gagging distaste for yet another speech designed to manipulate an audience into believing "I'm just like you" has faded into the background, I can say that the comment was a bit beneath me.

    Brilliant? Really? I disagree. Brilliant speeches rise above the fray and elevate the audience. Brilliant speeches don't sink to the level of being only what the audience wants to hear.

    But I do get your point, charlatan. I have no doubt the "leave your brains at the door" audience loved it.
     
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  4. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    the relation is circular. people like to hear little bromides that extol their virtue because that's all they're handed. people are passive in the main---they've adjusted to a top-down media environment the nature of which is concealed by the pseudo-democratic nature of advertising (which elicits a response, a form of participation, but it's a participation of selecting with a range of options they are handed. the systems of producing and distributing those options is not in play). so they've adapted to being told what they like to like and to like those things in the ways they're told they like to like them. the outside of this space is maybe growing as the hold of the main media apparatus gets progressively undermined by web-phenomena--but they do not represent a break in kind with the older forms of top-down infotainment delivery. more a breakdown of national monopolies on sources. so like shortwave radio once was but with images and graphix. but that clicktivism exists shows that its doesn't represent a change of comportments. none of this is awesome for anything remotely like a democratic process. but it does enable retrograde fatuousness like is currently emanating from tampa to continue. worse, because it's just like shopping, it provides the basis for taking that stuff seriously. win-win for teevee.
     
  5. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Makes you wonder where speech writers come from. Are they suckled on this stuff or abducted at a young age by ad-men and political sculptors who are good at manipulation but poor on literary skills? Hard to imagine how someone educated in the literary arts can stoop to such gross manipulation of the public. Maybe that's what a BA in Mass Communication gives you these days.
     
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    According to the now defunct Institute for Propaganda Analysis (IPA), the "seven common propaganda devices" are:
    1. Name-calling: think "socialist," "communist," "Marxist," etc.
    2. Glittering generalities: think "intangible nouns that embody ideals, such as dignity, freedom, fame, integrity, justice, love and respect"
    3. Transfer: Think of the out-of-context "We built it" slogan of the RNC
    4. Testimonial: Pretty obvious in all politics
    5. Plain folks: Think of the Republican populism, anti-intellectualism, and charges of elitism
    6. Card stacking: Pretty obvious too, but think of "free market good, everything else bad"
    7. Bandwagon: G. W. Bush was a master at this, but it is a favourite American pastime
    I may have focused more on Republicans in this list, but that does not mean other political parties don't use these techniques.

    I will say, though, that the Republicans of today are pretty heavy-handed when it comes to these.
     
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Nah, they just have a knack at it.
    Then they end up be used by whomever likes their stuff.
    It's like crayolas, you use the one that gives you the color you want for the picture you're drawing.
     
  8. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    That's funny because I would think that it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Republicans aren't very fond of Colors.
     
  9. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    white is a color. the republicans clearly like white.
     
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  10. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    I'm a republican, I loved that movie!

    [​IMG]

    But you'll never guess who came to visit me in my office today!

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Nice chair!
     
  12. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Beware....1,000 years of Darkness if Obama wins


    “If we look to history, our great country and freedom are under attack,” Norris warns, standing next to his wife. “We’re at a tipping point and, quite possibly, our country as we know it may be lost forever if we don’t change the course in which our country is headed.”​

    The pair go on to explain that Obama won in 2008 because more than 30 million evangelical Christians stayed home on Election Day. “We know you love your family and your freedom as much as Gena and I do, and it is because of that we can no longer sit quietly or stand on the sidelines and watch our country go the way of socialism or something much worse,” Norris explains.​

    Quoting President Ronald Reagan, Norris’s wife Gina adds that defeating Obama “will preserve for our children this last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into 1,000 years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.”​

    Praise the Lord and vote early and often.
    --- merged: Sep 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM ---
    An earlier pearl of wisdom from Norris:

    Jesus would have been aborted if “Obamacare” and Planned Parenthood were available 2,000 years ago
     
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  13. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    30 million evangelical Christians didn't vote in 2008? Jesus Christ! How many of them are there out there?!! :eek:
     
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
    The only place Bruce Lee could land a blow on Chuck Norris is on the douchebag.

    Also, Burke didn't write "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Though he did write "when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

    But maybe that sounds a bit too much like socialism or "something much worse."
     
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  15. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    The fact that Chuck Norris is taken seriously about anything is mind-boggling. It's tragic that his on screen persona is the only thing lending credence to his opinion.

    It doesn't take a whole lot to sway the ignorant. That's what worries me.
     
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  16. Alistair Eurotrash

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    Reading, UK
    His on-screen persona is surely just as a hairy dumb-shit. I never understood this meme thing going around about him. I mean, he's called "Chuck" FFS. How can anyone take him seriously?
     
  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    If Romney gets to the White House, it won't be America's enlightened moderates who put him there.
     
  18. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    Reading, UK
    Shame on you, Alistair. He's not a meme, he's a legend.


    Anyone who can take out Gary Busey must be capable of sorting out the solution to America's troubles.
     
  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Chuck Norris lost against Bruce Lee in Way of the Dragon. This is symbolic of the eventual domination of China over even the toughest of American intentions.
     
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  20. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    A liberal media ploy. In truth, Chuck kicked all their fucking asses before the editing.