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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    To the point...GOP needs to redefine itself.
    Get back to the subtle principles that drove it, not drowning itself in Kool-Aid.
     
  2. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Snippets of the conservative history of the US might explain today's conservatives:

     
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Now see...this is one of the things I'm talking about.
    Doubling down on stupid.

    Now I know they are now under the gun for GOP result this election from their "supposed" advantage they had earlier in the year.
    But to support this shmuck, after the media firestorm...just so soon ago.

    I know they think people are ADD and stupid, so noone will "realize" that they've gone back to supporting him.
    But I don't thing people's memories or attention spans are THAT bad.
    Beside the whole lack of integrity in the first place...

    Perhaps there is a "war on women"
    but it's more likely a few rogue soldiers...and the rest are like generals not caring about the collateral damage.

     
  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Republican hopes of taking the Senate are fading and Missouri is key to any chance they might have.

    Particularly, now that the Indiana senate race is in play (and should not be) because the Tea Party republican (who defeated the popular across the spectrum incumbent in the primary) has been campaigning on "no compromise, no way, never, ever"

    Much like how the Republicans blew chances to win Senate seats in CO, DE, and NV last election, but were stuck with weak Tea Party extremists and lost all three.
     
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  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I think it's a good thing if people realize that the Tea Party is a political movement, not a platform or party.
     
  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Akin is making the news again, telling a reporter after a debate that his opponent, Sen. Claire McCaskell, is not as "ladylike" as she was six years ago.

     
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  7. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

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    Yucatan, Mexico

    I think it would be great if people would realize the the "Tea Party" is AstroTurf being funded by billionaires and millionaires who've managed to convince a lot of middle class folks to vote against their own interests. In years past these folks funded groups who opposed gay rights, freedom of choice regarding women's health issues and to a lesser degree gun control (gun nuts didn't/don't need any help or incentive to get wound up.) Those groups were more then willing to jump on any train that included their "base fear/concern" even if that meant getting screwed financially. Issues such as gay rights and abortion just aren't producing the votes they used to so folks like the Koch brothers needed to shift strategies if they wanted to keep getting the huge tax breaks they enjoy. Tax breaks they enjoy on the backs of the working/middle class.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again- you've got to hand to these folks. They're damn smart. When you can get grandma and grandpa to not only vote against Social Security and Medicare but to convince them to protest against candidates who support those program you've managed quite a hat trick.
     
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  8. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    In truth, the Republicans, much to their angst - are truly sucking the hind tit. They've got "nuthin"... and if the entire World wants to evolve and see a better FUTURE and some peace, us Americans really need to vote Democraticly in this next election. It's gotten down to brass tacks as many say, because a healthy middle class will keep the USA from imploding and sending the USA into a downward spiral that won't stop until the end of Democracy et al. We must keep evolving and keep our freedom.

    Folks, this is BIG and you must vote from your heart and soul.
     
  9. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    Reading, UK
    Voting from my heart and soul would require a better choice. I think Obama has done a fairly good job considering and we all know what has to be considered and I will vote for him again.

    But what I would really prefer would be a choice between a moderate like Obama and a candidate who was more progressive.

    I can't remember when the country had a choice like that. Ford/Carter maybe?
     
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  10. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Dewey/FDR.

    The problem is one of ignorance. Specifically deliberate, voluntary, and willful ignorance. The mere continued existence of the entire rest of the developed world is prima facie proof that virtually everything the right has said for going on 10+ years now is utterly the opposite of reality, but people still fervently believe it while still somehow managing to recognize and accept that said rest of the world does exist and does not remotely resemble the allegedly inevitable end result of "socialism".

    When someone can accept every step of logic disproving a tangible viewpoint and yet still refuse to believe that viewpoint has been disproven you can't have any kind of functional interaction with that person anymore. They exist in a world beyond the laws of logic, causality, and reason where there is only blind and unquestioning obedience in whatever they are told.
     
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  11. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    Reading, UK
    Actually, I think there might be quite a large payoff inherent in the process of denying fact and logic and opting for the la-la land diet.

    That being - a lifetime accumulation of biases, prejudices, and ways of regarding the world have become so ingrained that any questioning of them on the part of the owner results in psychic and in some cases physical, pain and discomfort. The staunch support of right wing Republican distortions simply makes it easier for the supporters to maintain their rubber room sheng fui.

    Actually, we all have perceptions of a reality that may not be reality at all and when called upon to deny it in the face of someone else's reality or new information, we are just as likely as anyone else to retreat to our rubber room.

    I suppose it's a matter of degree and a question of just how dangerous the result of the perceived reality of some might be.
     
  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    The realities of money in election politics...taken from a GOP point of view.
    Necessary or not?

    BTW...I love the term "shadow-boss" :eek:
     
  13. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Interestingly enough this is from Republicans for Obama

    And it sounds close to how I feel.
    It's surreal...it's like up is down, down is all the way to Hell.

    Like the debate, the GOP candidate was agreeing with all of the Democratic president's points and foreign policies.
    Obama was sounding more like a firm Republican with balanced but strong commentary.

    And he's doing everything I've always liked the GOP to do...exact opposite from a "commie" or "socialist" he's called by their current group.
    And the GOP is doubling down on unbalanced and extreme idealogy. (Like saying well, instead of a hammer we need a wrecking ball)
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
    This is a bit long to post in the thread itself (plus it's an interview with bold text, etc.), so I will just leave a link and a pull quote.

    This basically is Frank Rich stating how an Obama win will further enrage the right but that the Republican Party will continue to radicalize either way. Great, huh?

    Frank Rich: Right will rage if Obama wins - Salon.com

     
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  16. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    Reading, UK
    There's never been any doubt in my mind that Republicans will continue to obstruct until they get their way.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    I just want to make a call-out to NJ governor Chris Christie.

    This is the kind of attitude that America is screaming for.
    Non-partisan, get the job done, work with those that move it forward...

    GOP, DNC and otherwise...be damned.
    Kudos to you, sir. :cool:
     
  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Has he been crucified yet?

    Ostracized at least?

    He knows there's an election next week, doesn't he?
     
  19. First thing out of his mouth I can recall that demonstrates dedication to his constituents. Well done!
     
  20. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member


    When I saw Christie's quote this morning I thought it was classy and appropriate for the occasion. What is sad is my twitter feed. I steer clear of most online political chatter. I hate the vehement partisanship that comes at the expense of common sense and what's best for those they are supposed to help. So most of the people I follow on twitter are news feeds, sports figures and analysts, comedians, and other light hearted fare. Any tweets from them involving Sandy have been supportive and humane. Until the last few hours, where everyone from Andy Richter to Slate to Huffington Post decided they needed to use the occasion to sling mud. It really turns me off.