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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. rogue49

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  2. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    While I don't have a time machine that can travel to different dimensions to see all of the outcomes in November, I have a feeling that they know that if this virus changes society drastically for months and months, that the chance of Tump getting re-elected is a lot smaller.
     
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  4. rogue49

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    Wow
    And this is from a real conservative and big GOP player
    But previous administration and had his ow magazine

    Is the Republican Party a Lost Cause? - The Bulwark

    Unfortunately, while I enjoyed some conservative values and policy...there has been a vicious circle that had led to this point.

    It’s not going away...
    There’s many that need to see things get REALLY bad
    Then some soul searching as they realize and keep to themselves...how much damage they helped cause or allowed or cheered on.

    There’s a disease out there
    It’s not liberal vs conservative
    It’s morals depreciation

    Not sexual, family values, financial or statecraft, etc
    But how we treat people
    And truly consider consequences

    It’s going to get weirder and worse
    And the pandemic is just gassing it on.

    The GOP is in a whirlpool
    Question is, is it caused by a storm...or a black hole.
     
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  5. rogue49

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    Tsunami warning for Republicans

    Would you really blame the citizens???
    The GOP has done pittance to help them in crisis
    All efforts have been for corporate
    Especially those who are connected

    And there’s money and momentum on the other side

    Besides instability is bad for business
    And so is lack of customers
    The longer it lingers...they look for those that will normalize things.
    Long term solution vs short term profits are gaining traction in mosts’ mindsets
     
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  6. ASU2003

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    The media has learned nothing from 2016. If people expect it to happen, then it doesn't really matter when it does. It's not "news". But when the GOP wins jut as many house seats and state legislature seats because of gerrymandering and who votes, it will be talked about 24/7.

    They trust polls way too much too. There are lots and lots of people out there who would rather do worse personally under a far right administration which punishes the social justice warriors, environmentalists, and health professionals that use the government to tell people how they should live. I hope that there is a real "silent majority" that will show up to vote, but when it comes to signs on people's houses, my current count is about 100 to 2.
     
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    ‘He’s Destroyed Conservatism’: The Republican Case Against Trump’s GOP

    Good article from a GOP consultant, how the GOP has lost its way.
    This is not just about Mr. T...but the GOP altogether.

    It's been my opinion for some time now that the GOP was sinking in a vicious cycle,
    not the policy per se, I like some conservative values and ideas...but the attitude and actions being done.
    Often playing a dirty game, the anger and spite, the one-way no compromise pushes.

    They need to oust the loon and pull themselves out of the pit.
    Bring it back to decency and integrity. Stop being angry, compromise and play well with others.

    Hopefully it's not too late unlike what this GOP player is saying.
     
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  9. ASU2003

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    I just don't know if there are that many moderate conservative swing voters who would be willing to vote for the Democrats instead of trying to defeat the Democrats.
     
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    I've been watching the conventions since the 80's and I haven't seen a Democratic convention with this many Republicans ever.
     
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    The Grand Old Meltdown — POLITICO

    The GOP losing its soul
    Written by a long time conservative
    And getting feedback from other hard conservatives

    Even he realizes, they’re going down a dark road

    It’s a long article, still interesting
    The first portion should give you the gist and tone.

    Essentially, they’re lost
    It’s all about anger and bile...no ideas to execute on

    Then again, who’s leading them?
     
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  17. rogue49

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    Sorry, Washington Post charges after a first few looks
    I like it, I have a subscription for a long time (10/mo??)
    But I don’t expect anyone else to pay up

    I’ll see if I can figure out a non paywall post
     
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    If I had been paying attention I would've known I'd get blocked.

    I need to find the thread about newspaper subscriptions that are worth paying for.
     
  19. rogue49

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    Personally, I pay for the New York Times, Bloomberg and Washington Post.
     
  20. ASU2003

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    Republicans never get to complain about these things again
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    Opinion by
    Jennifer Rubin
    Columnist
    September 3, 2020 at 11:00 a.m. EDT

    I never want to hear President Trump whine about phony accounts of voter fraud again. On Wednesday, he suggested North Carolina voters should test their vote-by-mail system, thereby committing what amounts to voter fraud. “Let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote," Trump said. "If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote.” This would be illegal — and obviously so. Attorney General William P. Barr pleaded ignorance on Wednesday as to whether voting twice is a crime and also ducked a question from CNN’s Wolf Blitzer about how many actual voter fraud claims the feds have pursued. (Hint: Hardly any.) Trump and his enablers have gone from making up claims of voter fraud to countenancing and encouraging it.

    I never want to hear Republicans complain about the debt again. The Post reports, “For the first time since World War II, the U.S. government’s debt will roughly equal the size of the entire American economy by the end of this year, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.” The numbers are eye-popping: “By the end of 2020, the amount of debt owed by the United States will amount to 98 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product, the CBO said. That is up from 79 percent last year. Total government debt will surpass the U.S. economy’s size next year, the CBO said.” If Democrats win control of the government in November, why shouldn’t they feel free to spend with the same abandon Republicans have?

    I never want to hear Republicans claim the “law and order” mantle again. They have supported a president who glorifies violent White militias. They sneer at lawful subpoenas, the emoluments clause and the Hatch Act. No administration since Richard Nixon’s has had more presidential associates and staffers indicted (and convicted).

    No Senate Republican gets to complain about the qualities of a Democrat’s nominees after Trump nominated nine judges rated “unqualified” by the American Bar Association and put a flock of inexperienced and unqualified people in executive posts (e.g., Rex Tillerson, Matthew Whitaker, Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Kathy Kraninger, Richard Grenell).

    Republicans have also lost the credibility to complain about executive overreach after they countenanced Trump’s efforts to snatch funds from the military to pay for the border wall, to deploy unmarked federal troops to states without consent of governors and to assert “absolute immunity” from subpoenas. And now that a Republican president has unilaterally sought to yank funds from “anarchist jurisdictions” and from cities that refused to allow local law enforcement to be dragooned into performing federal immigration enforcement — not to mention Trump’s attempt to prevent states from setting higher regulatory standards — Republicans do not get to waive the 10th Amendment flag when it suits their fancy. No more moaning about taxpayer-funded family trips or golf time. No more criticism of executive branch turnover.

    Of course, just because Trump urged illegal conduct, encouraged voter fraud, ran up mammoth debt, associated with criminals, put incompetent cronies in top jobs, trashed the separations of powers and bilked the taxpayers does not mean Democrats should do the same. It does, however, mean that Republicans have lost the credibility to govern or to obstruct based on principles they abandoned during Trump’s tenure.


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    She was pretty nice in the article still. She didn't say anything about the Pro-Life movement that is spouting conspiracy theories about the 186,806 dead from a virus that could have been dealt with by staying home and protecting yourself. Nothing about the "well-regulated militia" excuse which was supposed to be the NRA organization. And the foreign election interference that the senate investigation found.
     
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