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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Interesting...in the sense that I thought the elephant turds whined long & loud.

    It was also very convenien that they could symbolically vote against Biden's relief bill without fear of having to explain why the peons/pawns/voters didn't get any relief.


    Will any of the elephant turds actually stand up and do what's right for the country?
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    The real question is will a good portion of the population believe such bullshit and posturing???

    In the end, it comes down to votes
    And there’s always a significant amount of people who buy into lies, spin and decoys.

    You’d think in this day and age, we’d all be more wise
    But there’s always enough suckers
    OR enough that are wanting an authoritarian white evangelical regime
    Or both together...

    I’d say the Never Trumpers are as close to a rational aware conservative group as you get these days.
    Ones that are willing to fight for integrity and reasonable ideas.
    But they’re a minority vs the whole in the GOP

    And certainly can’t get most GOP representatives to think in productive terms, not political.
    Unfortunately the GOP leadership are spineless manipulators...not true leaders of the nation.

    We need a combination of groups that are going to be the grown ups in the room. Fight the good fight.
     
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  3. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    It will be interesting to see what happens with the infrastructure bill. State budgets got hit hard over the last year, but should rebound this year. However, the big federal funded projects bring in a lot of jobs in construction and planning, and pictures of politicians at ribbon cutting ceremonies for new projects goes over well with most people.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    I would say it had to do with identity, culture, and lifestyle. Ever since the 80's where Japanese car makers, Chinese tech factories, Mexican factories, and immigrant construction and farm labor has been preventing a large group of people from having decent & stable jobs. While they watch the rich and their kids take over.

    But they also have lost on abortion and gay acceptance. Guns and low taxes are the things they have left.

    The talk radio, TV channels, and social media has organized and explained the outrage and who to blame instead of the corporate leaders who made the decisions. (They get a pass because, "wouldn't you do the same thing if you were in their shoes?")
     
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    MAGA World says Biden's lost it. Republican senators disagree. — POLITICO

    Ok, when leaders of your own party are saying the opposite than you
    You gotta question your reality

    They’re just looking for ANY excuse.

    Now, at 78 he may not be the most spry or graceful
    But he’s completely lucid and intelligent

    It just shows your desperation

    IF you want any go at the party winning
    Start with some good ideas
    Continue with honesty and integrity
    Respect your opposition
    Promote the ideas rationally and no spin

    Most people aren’t stupid

    But here, it’s making you look stupid
    A cartoon...Dick Dastardly, coming up with any gimmick

    He won, y’all didn’t
    Deal, start with a good drive and plan

    Your sportsmanship sucks
     
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  7. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    I would say that the media and peer pressure on social media is having more influence than any politician.
     
  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    'An all-hands moment': GOP rallies behind voting limits

    They're just getting worse & worse with these guys. Just doubling down on fascism and insanity.
    And strangely the Never Trumpers GOPrs seem to be get more "liberal" or Democrat (from TFA or Tweets I've been reading from them)

    Curiouser & curiouser
    It's a weird world these days.
     
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  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Former Speaker of the House, Republican Congressman John Boehner, wrote an "essay" that appears in Politico today that rips into today's Trump/Freedom Caucus Republican Party.

    On the political notion of "compromise and consensus building" ...
    And on Obama...
    Read the full essay: Panic Rooms, Birth Certificates and the Birth of GOP Paranoia

    On the comment "...they didn’t really want legislative victories. They wanted wedge issues and conspiracies and crusades"...

    One only need look back over the last four years

    On health care, the goal was to kill Obamacare. Remember Trump's "greatest health plan ever" after gutting the ACA? Coming any day now!

    Or Republican immigration reform that offers constructive improvements rather than gutting legal immigration in an appeal to the anti-immigration white nationalist base?

    An infrastructure program that even hard line conservatives recognize is long overdue? More tax cuts for the rich is not a solution.

    I honestly cannot think of one constructive proposal on major public policy issues from today's Republican Party.
     
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  10. redux

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    One of the leading insurrectionists in Congress, Rep. Paul Gosar (R- Ariz), is ripped by his brothers and sister in an ad from the Republican Accountability Project to air on Fox News.



    GOP Rep’s Family Calls Him Out Over Insurrection In Scathing Fox News Ad

     
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  11. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    @redux, yeah I agree and I'd say also the GOP in general is most interested in vindictive destruction, like, let's not pay attention to aids cause gays are bad. Let's not help the storm/pandemic/financial crash victims because free stuff is immoral.
    I also feel like repugs are much more reliable in looking for personal gain, financial, sexual, and just plain old attention whoring due to a bottomless neediness you can just feel in your gut from their persona.
    Dems aren't perfect angels but I feel like Reps are consistently devoid of any personal moral compass.

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    Shit like this just dosn't sound good... generous. ? ...hmm
    Partner. ? ... why is it so easy to swap out partner for "customer" sounds like he's talking about a tip more than date behavior...just reeks of, " I bought you all this stuff now you owe me a sex weekend and pix I can show off later"

    After a half million + dead from 'rona I see the GOP as having no bottom of bad behavior, total moral vacuum. I definitely see them as a danger for a totalitarian kleptocratic authoritarian government.

    It's been on a downward slope since I first was able to vote, but it's near vertical jackass style fall these days
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Mitch McConnell Learns It Isn’t Personal—It’s Strictly Business — The Atlantic

    Conservatives keep making the same mistakes
    In the Civil War
    In the New Deal
    Etc and so on

    Shitting where they eat.

    They have to realize that they are NOT the majority
    And biz is going to always cater to the larger crowd and not want to lose customers.

    You can’t ignore the faction that has the larger resources.
    You can’t ignore the rest of the world.

    It’s NOT your way or the highway.
    It’s called compromise.
     
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  13. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    I like the bits I'm hearing about Boehner's book... Like Romney I'm surprised again.
    I like his foul mouth and nicotine addiction.
     
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  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    I think the AM radio and Conservative news media got way too powerful and controlled the narrative. All of them were concerned about ad buys and campaign contributions.

    Seriously, I could come up with a good "conservative" healthcare system. Loosen HSA regulations (able to put in more tax-free cash to be used for healthcare expenses), HSAs aren't tied to employment, but employers could help provide funds tax-free as incentives to work at places. As people get more and more HSA funds in their accounts as they are healthy, the premims could come down if you had $25,000 or $50,000 cash in an HSA account after 5-20 years.

    Then the bank (probably a new government agency though) could use that HSA money in the bank as capital to loan to others who are sick. Interest on the loans or paycheck deductions could be used to get the funds owed back.

    Excess premiums collected could be used to create a rainy day account in case of a major health problem, provide incentives to stay healthy, reward people for being healthy, provide compassionate care, provide rural mobile healthcare, and on and on.

    The HSA would go towards the Medicare co-pay and 20% premiums if you stayed healthy until 65-70. The HSA would cover premiums if you lost your job.
     
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  15. rogue49

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  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    GOP Doctors In Congress Release Surprinsgly Great COVID-19 Vaccine Ad — HuffPost

    Y’know, I don’t care how they do it.
    Just do the right thing.

    This is one of the most productive things GOPrs have done in some time.
    If it speaks to them, then great

    The key is to get this crud under control, ASAP

    Check out their vid within.
    Sure it’s got the trigger words, but if that gets them in and taking it, fine.

    Now if we can just figure out how to get the rest.
    Bit by bit...
     
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  17. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    The one part missing from Biden's speech was giving any credit to the agencies in the previous administration, or even the decisions of the previous administration to safely, but expeditiously get the vaccine trials and approvals done. Yes, it would have given the conservative news something to talk about, but it also might have been something that could have reduced the hesitancy. I don't know if anyone didn't get the vaccine to try and keep Biden from reaching his goal in the first 100 days, but he could have talked about that getting the vaccine isn't about given the Democrats a political win or talking point anymore too.
     
  18. rogue49

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    I don’t think they can afford to
    Obama tried that, being fair and civil...they railroaded him.

    I think that the Dems and Biden have figured out that the current GOP are a bunch of bullies...who don’t give ANY credit themselves.
    So, he’s playing hardball.

    Why would you want to be positive with people who are so negative???

    Let’s see the GOP be civil and compromise with some consistency...then maybe you can give some love.

    Besides, do you want to support those who do NOT support a full Democracy?
    The GOP needs to start tramping down the sedition first.
     
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  19. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    He isn't doing much compromising when it comes to policies. But it is in the nation's and Biden's interest to reach herd immunity as quickly as possible. It will happen either through people developing their own antibodies the hard way, or by using science and then have a much reduced risk of symptoms.

    I know two or three of the Obama -> Trump voters who like Biden now. They aren't a big fan of the polarization, but also got brainwashed by social media and talk radio. They also really didn't like Hillary for years and years. But, I think the way to get stuff done is to try and shrink that 45% side down in the suburbs and small towns. Back in 2006/2008, the maps of the vote distribution between DEM & GOP was not nearly as one sided.
     
  20. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    No.

    Trump and his puppets totally blew it when it was still the Corona Virus.

    The vaccine R&D was well underway before Conman decided to "jump on the bandwagon." I strongly suspect the only reason Conman started pushing for expedited approval was someone managed to make him understand it was going to happen no matter how much he fought it.

    This might be one of the few times Conman actually and finally read the handwriting on the wall (well after his consistent denials) and reacted appropriately (for his benefit). But it happened in spite of Trump not because of him.

    No, don't give the Trump administration, and the GOP, credit for anything.
     
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