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Politics The Probe

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/02/po...D=ref_fark&r=https://m.fark.com/goto/10608236

    Very interesting
    Looks like Mueller report isn’t going to die.

    But the question is, will it be highlighted and probed further?

    And even more so, prosecuted on and leveraged to get justice on those who’ve acted wrong
    And prevent further abuse
    Both by our own leaders and foreign opposition

    The challenge is, this is so twisted and so obscured
    With many trying to repress it, dismiss it and distract from it
    That it’s an incredibly slow burn.

    Mueller had it right
    It’s up to the Congress to press and prosecute it

    Problem half don’t wanna know
    Don’t care
    And want to make it disappear

    The Dems may be actually doing this right...finally
    By the book, by the law
    Making it so it’s unassailable

    They have to
    Because it has to be guilty without a doubt

    Because the other side will attack any doubt
    And try to undermine it with any questionable item

    Justice here HAS TO be blind and foolproof

    Because those that it’s “inconvenient” to
    Aren’t interested in justice or doing the right thing

    They just it want to go away

    Problem for them, it won’t
    It’s going to rot until their tree falls.

    And you’ve got some busy beavers digging and chewing on it
    Helping the tree go down

    Don’t worry, it’s not sad the tree falls
    Because it’s rotten and dead in the inside

    That’s been a reality for awhile
     
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  2. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    Is every single House subpoena going to be challenged? Several news sources reported that four White House staffers were told not to appear today (sorry, no link). At least two them could possibly confirm the testimony that the phone call "transcript" is incomplete, and very likely inaccurate.

    The war of attrition continues. We need a court ruling, "Cut the crap. Appear."
     
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Some should start going to jail
    Forfeit pay or be fined substantially

    Personally, I prefer jail
    That’s what happens to most in contempt
    Besides allies can pay bills, so there’s no pain
     
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  4. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    Definitely.

    But where would they wind up in jail? Certainly not in with the type of people you wouldn't want to be in jail with.
    And they'd continue to be paid.

    But jail works for me.


    This makes me think of The Bonfire of the Vanities (the novel, I've never seen the movie).
     
  5. rogue49

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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    Stone is one of those people who will lie no matter what. He'll stand his ground no matter what the oath, threat, or action.

    Think of him as the Black Knight.
     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  8. rogue49

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    Former top Trump advisor Steve Bannon will testify against Roger Stone in Mueller case

    Speaking of popcorn...
    Now that’s funny!

    They’re going to start eating each other

    Or is the the face eating leopard meme?
    No that’s more towards voting

    Not ex allies back stabbing each other
    But it’s not voluntary in this case...but, we’ll see

    I wonder if it was Stone who got Trump to fire Bannon???
    TLDR article...I can keep up with what they are doing
    Much why
     
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  9. redux

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    The "buck stops here" ... Nope, not with this president.

    Deflect away from Trump at all costs, despite the facts.

    House GOP looks to protect Trump by raising doubts about motives of his deputies
     
  10. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    The Rules of Presidential Pardons


    When is the best time to file charges against any of the people involved in Trump's illegal dealings?
    While he's still POTUS, hoping that he won't be--or will be--stupid enough to grant pardons while facing reelection?

    If Trump is reelected (my bowels just churned), he could issue pardons galore with little fear of effective backlash, it would be mostly just verbal criticism. And he would almost certainly enjoy the controversy.

    I have no faith that he'll be removed from office, and believe that he will be the Republican presidential candidate in 2020.



    Where can the charges be filed? If Trump can only grant pardons on federal charges, is there a way to charge his cohorts at the state level?

    I know that the courts have ruled some charges against Trump can proceed because they're state charges.




    I'm a "child" of Watergate. The one thing I will always remember about Gerald Ford, regardless of any positives attributed to him, is the Nixon pardon. 'Time to move on and heal,' my ass.
     
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  11. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist

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    The fucked up part with Ford's pardon was that it was done before Nixon was convicted of doing anything.
    It made moot any attempt to bring him up on charges so that we could find out what really happened.
    That isn't a pardon, that is like the old Catholic indulgence, absolving him of all sins.
     
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  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    Did the Ford & Nixon Sweetheart Deal lead to any serious changes to the presidential pardon procedure? If yes, I don't remember it.

    And as previously mentioned, Trump has before referred to pardons as a possibility. I'm guessing he was vague enough to avoid any real, or at least lasting, media attention.


    Oh yes, the propaganda. Continuing to refer to the partial & incomplete phone call transcript as the transcript.
     
  13. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    So Mick Mulvaney joins the long list of Trumpers who ignored House subpoenas. Eleven of thirteen didn't show (TBF I don't know how many received subpoenas).

    What's the issue? If you can truthfully dispute the testimony of others, step up and do so. If your testimony would support that of others, you just ignore the subpoena rather than telling the truth, or lying and facing perjury charges?

    The Trumpers don't get to ignore legal proceedings just because they disagree with them. They don't get to ignore Constitutional law.

    Where are the consequences? Will there be any?
     
  14. rogue49

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    People should be fined, pay affected or jailed
    Or at least be formally held in contempt

    Like they just did with De Vos
     
  15. redux

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    The legal issue is ultimately one of subpoena power of Congress versus a president citing executive privilege regarding past and present senior advisers having absolute immunity from being compelled to testify.

    One of those senior advisers, Charles Kupperman, a former deputy national security adviser, asked the courts to decide and it was plodding along until the judge said he would "fast track" it earlier this week. But that would only be the first step that is likely to ultimately lead to the Supreme Court and result in a landmark decision along the lines of the Court's U.S. vs Nixon decision that established limits on "executive privilege" claims by a president.

    U.S. judge fast-tracks hearing over House impeachment subpoena to former national security aide Charles Kupperman
    So, in reality, all these guys get a pass until the legal issues are resolved.


    From an impeachment perspective, the House can still approve an Article of Impeachment on Contempt of Congress for ordering senior officials to defy subpoenas.
     
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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    If the Supreme Court rules in favor of Executive Privilege (more like Abuse of Power) for Trump.......................
     
  17. rogue49

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    kramus what I might see

  19. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    I'm not sure why these assholes like Mick Mulvaney think they can ignore a congressional subpoena for an impeachment inquiry. If Congress can impeach the president and compel his presence, they sure as fuck can compel his lackeys. Stop trying to cause a constitutional crisis. These nitwits are trying to destroy the foundations of our democracy. Our country and its citizens have faith that people en masse will honor the duties of the constitution and country, and they are working to destroy those pillars. The only reason a million people have not shown up at the white house and dragged that criminal out and hung his corpse up at a gas station a la Mussolini is that we have faith the other branches of government are going to step in and right the ship of state.
     
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  20. rogue49

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