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Politics The Probe

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    So Counselori Giuliani is going to submit a report on his findings in Ukraine.

    Who in their right fugging mind would believe anything Counselori has to say?

    And a question to which I've yet find a satisfactory answer: What the hell is Counselori doing involving himself in our foreign policies?
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Watchdog report finds FBI not motivated by political bias in Trump probe — The Hill

    Nope, nada found
    But that won’t stop Mr T and his allies from claiming it

    Up is down
    Left is right
    Right is wrong
    And so on

    Facts and truth don’t matter anymore to them.
    Just who yells the loudest

    Glad to know the FBI is doing their job at least on this

    However, my problem is...no one acts on it.
    It’s just investigated
    Then decisions are punted to the politicians
     
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  4. rogue49

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rump-impeachment-articles-is-that-smart-play/
    Democrats ditch ‘bribery’ and Mueller in Trump impeachment articles. But is that the smart play?

    I'm sorry, the Dems have been playing this too polite, too much decorum
    They need to nail his ass for all the things he's truly done wrong.
    The GOP is going to wipe their ass with these's 2 articles.

    The needed to show and state all the shady things.
    Make him sweat...make the opposition sweat.
    Where's the rage?

    Then to cooperate with him during this for a trade agreement???
    That could wait.

    This whole thing has been, the GOP opposition being Big 10 Frat boys compared the Dems being a Harvard debate team.

    They swilling your juice and pissing in your weeds. (while the Prez embezzles and then some)
    And you just put your hands to your mouth, say "I never" and complain to the counsel, which the Frat leads.

    Your decorum doesn't do crap
    And I'll be surprised if the Senate isn't done with it before the new year. (or a couple of weeks after the Impeachment vote)

    I hope I'm wrong...but I won't be.
    The voters won't remember crap except for the crap going on the last 2 weeks before the vote. (you can only hope Mr. T keeps being completely stupid and heavy-handed to make them aware still)

    Mueller Report - whiff
    FBI Report - whiff
    Impeachment - whiff

    Certainly no steroids used by these folk

    You want to catch this scrambling runner...you gotta TACKLE him.
    He won't go down otherwise.

    You're playing badminton
    They're playing Australian rules football (rugby)
    You're having court
    They're being soccer hooligans
     
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  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    Yeah, I don't get the desire for the Democrats to give Trump a big win on NAFTA 2 and give him a big talking point in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Do they think that they will get votes from the workers who lost their jobs to Mexico because "they can work with Trump and aren't being obstructionists"? It was a big miss on the Obama Admin to not come out with a version of this however.

    As for racking up the charges, I think the media has reported on them all for the people who care. I would worry that by having too expansive of a case would cause it to drag on and on, and the Democrats want their primary candidates to be getting the main media coverage by February. Let's see if they can win the media time battle though.

    But yes, the conservatives are cheating and playing dirty, yet I worry that too many people will believe that both sides are corrupt and would cheat for it to shift too many votes.
     
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  6. rogue49

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  7. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    I saw that too. The Democrats are learning that the Constitution left a lot of loopholes that an unscrupulous person could use to get around the law. And this Senate and President are willing to do whatever it takes to remain in power. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitch declares that you can't impeach a President in an election year. And if Trump did win, he would impeach him and remove him from office at 11:00 am on inauguration day so Pence could Pardon him.
     
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  8. Chris Noyb

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    Pence could pardon him from Federal charges, but not from State charges.


    I seriously wonder about Trump. Anybody with even a small amount of intelligence knows that running for public office, esp POTUS, opens your life to microscopic examinations. Trump somehow managed to get elected despite his questionable history (thanks to the timely, for him, Perfect Storm of Discontent). But he had to know being POTUS was going to encourage some people to examine him even closer. Is he so dense, so damned stupid, he thought being POTUS would make him an untouchable king? Or so narcissistic the thought of being questioned never occurred to him?
     
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Sooner or later
    If he doesn’t croak first, he’ll be likely going to prison.
    One agency or another is going to get him.
    State or Fed or otherwise.
    Even the IRS finally can do it
    After he’s out...then he’s fair game.
    And he’ll be paying for lawyers galore for the rest of his life.
    Right now, he’s got power and can be used
    After, they’re all going to dump him.
    Like an ex-tyrant
    The only diff, they at least won’t murder him as they often do in other countries.
    My bet is prison and chapter 7 bankruptcy (for him, not his company)
     
  10. rogue49

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...5fadb0-1ced-11ea-87f7-f2e91143c60d_story.html

    Well, it got past the Judiciary Committee
    Not one GOP member said something is wrong

    Sad

    And let’s see the tweets that come out next...

    Not that I pay attention to them directly
    I only hear about them after from others
    At least that’s some type of filter of the gross tone

    I guess this is why they have history books
    “May you live in interesting times...”
    It’s an ancient curse
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

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    Republican leaders in the Senate have made it clear:

    They think the impeachment proceedings is politically motivated and should not have happened.

    They are, and will continue to, work with the Trump (I think they prefer to say The White House because that term is more generic and less controversial) to defend against the charges.

    They have no intention of listening to the evidence and making an impartial judgement.

    They have no intention of using their power to call witnesses who could clarify what Trump did and didn't do. Provided they actually told the truth and didn't develop convenient selective memory loss...which will be moot.

    They have no intention of impeaching Trump.

    I have to give the Republicans credit for being right about one thing: The current impeachment process is a travesty. And i give the Republicans credit for making it so.
     
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  12. rogue49

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    Judiciary Committee impeachment report alleges Trump committed “multiple federal crimes” — POLITICO

    And the kitchen sink too...

    Abuse of power is an umbrella term
    And an understatement, IMHO

    But they’re mostly sticking with those things in term
    Not leading up to it...but it includes Mueller
    you count obstruction...while prez
    And links with the Russians beforehand

    I guess in 169 pages
    They want to document everything
    Get it down on record
    Something to point to...again and again
    No matter if acquitted or not.
    For all of history
    And politically
     
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  13. rogue49

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  15. Xazy Vertical

    If they delay sending it to the Senate, then the Senate should bring it to the supreme court to force them to do their responsibility.

    But then again the 6th amendment did not matter to the house so whatever...
     
  16. Stan

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    If this were a criminal prosecution, then the 6th amendment would be relevant.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    SCOTUS can’t force them to do anything
    Impeachment proceedings are fully the domain of the House
    The constitution says this and it is completely open.

    As @Stan stated this isn’t a criminal court
    Even if the articles were drawn against criminal activities
    It’s purely political

    The founders wanted to leave it open in case actions to be impeached on were not defined by law.

    In this case however, T is being gone after for criminal and unconstitutional actions.
    The prez is not above the law.
    Any other government member or citizen could be easily prosecuted for the same actions

    However, the prez cannot be prosecuted...until they are impeached and ousted. Then they can be prosecuted criminally, in the court, for the same reasons.
     
  18. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    An impeachment isn't a criminal trial, it's more like a grand jury and those can take as long as the prosecutor thinks is necessary to get the indictment.
    They also have an entirely different standard of evidence.

    For that matter, impeaching a president has an entirely different standard of charges.
    When the Founding Father were planing out the executive branch there was a group, Franklin and Hamilton were the leaders, who wanted it to be a three person committee instead of a single person.
    They didn't feel any one person should have that much power.
    When it was decided that there would be one person, there was language put in the Constitution for Congress to curtail that power.

    The wording High Crimes means simply abusing the role of president.
    Clinton getting a blowjob while it was consensual sex was abusing his power.
    The dynamic was way out of wack, it was similar to a teacher fucking a student.

    So many things 45 has done have been abusing his power as president that it is too long to list.
    Congress stuck to the most simple to explain so it would get across to everyone.
     
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  19. Xazy Vertical

    True regarding the 6th amendment. Does not mean that not being able to confront the witness, and look at what the persons stances and biases are affect the credibility of the testimony.

    I doubt anyone here can disagree that the whole Impeachment fun so far was all one sided and the republicans witnesses was denied.

    I think it will be fun, I cannot wait for the trial. Or better Pelosi sitting on the articles and then having it either Nullified by the Senate (possible) or end up at the Supreme court.

    Either way approval ratings are going up, similarly as to what happened when Clinton got impeached.

    note: Whoops can't remove the pic, I love the monarchy line though...I didn't intend to post that.
     

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  20. rogue49

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    Actually, they gave them every opportunity to bring witnesses and make statements

    Trump refused
    Most of his administration refused
    And most of his allies refused

    You can’t protest you didn’t get a chance
    When you are given a chance, then don’t show.
    Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    Like those who take the 5th...they risk how the chips fall by not making their own statement.
     
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