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Politics The Probe

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    See George Conway's reaction to Trump's acquittal — CNN Politics

    Great video embedded within

    And this is from a conservative
    Although a Never Trumper
    and supporter of the new conservative opposition groups. (Republicans For Law, etc)

    Much make a very interesting marriage, considering his wife...geez

    But I agree with him most of the time
    He’s right on the money

    BTW, I suspect that this will NOT be the end of this thread.
    There will be more crimes
    More probes, investigation, inquiries, subpoenas, etc

    And there might even be another impeachment
    (a new and unique thing that Mr T could be “proud” of)

    Hang on, folks...the wild ride ain’t over yet.
    Sadly so
     
  2. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect Donor

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    i read today that Trumps approval rating is at an all time high..... I personally think that after all this impeachment stuff will get him reelected..
     
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Actually, it really hasn’t budged, it depends on the poll.

    538 is a good poll aggregate...and skews independent/conservative.

    He’s stuck around 43% approval (give or take a bit)

    And 52% disapproval (give or take)

    Although, many of those that “approve” don’t like him.

    Impeachment didn’t affect it either way, radically.

    It depends on who they pick to oppose.
    And if he fucks up more.

    I put my dollars on the fuck ups.
    He’s incapable of stopping.
     
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  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Trump's approval rating is at an all time high on one poll.

    On an average of all major polls, he is still deep underwater.

    FiveThirtyEIght: 51.9% disapprove -- 43.7% approve
    Real Clear Politics: 51.8% disapprove -- 45.2% approve

    The net negative approval is significant. In the above two average of polls, Trump is at a net -6 to -8.

    Obama was only in the mid-to-upper 40s in approval at the same point in running for reelection but his disapproval was also in the mid-to-upper 40s so his net was at -1 at the worst.
     
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  5. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    National polls are meaningless when it comes to re-election and the electoral college. And while I still think there are only one or two outcomes that net Trump a win, it isn't going to be a slam dunk for the Democrat to win either.

    While I wasn't a huge Hillary supporter, I felt more confident that she was going to win (even with all of her manufactured baggage) than any of the current candidates. The Trump campaign in 2016 was an unorganized mess. This time they are already running a national campaign with lots of money and super-pacs behind it. And I wouldn't be surprised if the foreign actors would get involved again, but a little more secretively this time. They might not worry as much as they were about a Hillary Presidency, but they are enjoying seeing the US in the mess we are in and not strong enough to defend ourselves.
     
  6. redux

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    Yep. National polls are meaningless in head-to-head match-ups of presidential candidates but national polls do have merit if they are issue oriented and provide a sense of how voters feel about particular issues or about particular candidates.

    There are some match-up polls (Trump vs Biden/Sanders/Warren/Buttigieg) in key swing states...

    Michigan
    Pennsylvania
    Wisconsin

    These are the three traditional Democratic states that Trump won by less than one percent that turned the 2016 election.

    In all of the above, Trump is losing to both Biden and Bernie but this early in the campaign, they dont have much meaning.
     
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  7. redux

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  8. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Have we (in the broad general sense) became so
    jaded,
    unethical,
    and dishonest,
    to make Shyster Trump's transgressions acceptable?

    What does that tell the rest of the world?
     
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  9. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    That Americans are the idiots they always suspected we were but never had the hard proof?
     
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  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  11. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    How about his tax returns? If he is "under audit" for four years the system is broken.
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    That’s actually under review by SCOTUS
    The conservative judges may go his way
    They’re debating it...
     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Senate panel told Justice Dept. of suspicions over Trump family members’ Russia testimony

    Nothing is going to happen on this now...not with Barr in control
    And the Dems are focused on the Election and Virus

    This will linger for years...piled to the list of potential criminal activities.
    Some in Congress are calling for a whole criminal committee IF and once there is an administrative change

    But good luck on that happening, moving forward and actually getting traction and results.

    This is why we can't have a clean kitchen...because the cockroaches scatter so fast and well
     
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  14. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Trump's questionable activities will be analized by numerous historians and political scientists for years. Unfortunately that very likely won't result in legal actions against the culprits.

    I'm hoping that Shyster Trump will get nailed for fraud. Just compare the numbers he presents to potential investors to the numbers he reports to the IRS and other tax agencies.
     
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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  17. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  18. omega

    omega Very Tilted Donor

    Terry Pratchett always liked the expression "a lie can get around the world before the truth can get it's boots on"
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    That’s actually how he’s successful
    His administration’s audacity, lies and the speed of destruction

    He’s outpacing Congress and the Courts
    Which are slow by nature

    It’s like a living tornado
     
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  20. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    Keep piling it on until you smother them.

    Or an old expression, slightly modified:
    If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, bury them in bullshit.
     
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