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Politics The Probe

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    I think he’s trying to be as complete and thorough as possible

    He knows that Trump, his administration, allies and much of the GOP will throw everything at it.

    Let’s put it this way, I’d be surprised if they didn’t
    The pattern so far is, they’ve thrown their hat into the ring with him, covered much, allowed much and they’ve made their bed and will likely lie in it.

    Emphasis on the word, “lie”
    I wish it were otherwise

    This has made a great mess and it’s going to be a bigger mess

    Thankfully, the economy is chugging along
    But the government wouldn’t be ready for a crisis
     
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  2. rogue49

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    Well, they finally released the probe
    And it was as useful as the Warren Report or any other probe. Which is NADA.

    Nope, no proof...and no other indictments. But no exoneration of obstruction either. A whiff of a investigation.

    And we're just going to go through a cycle the House attacking...and the Senate nixing it.
    All the while nothing gets done.
    And the loudmouth gets louder.

    Here's the first of the unending tennis match... :rolleyes:
    Release the Mueller Report - The Editorial Board, Bloomberg

    Yeah, like it's going to be released...even though they've said, they'll likely release it.
    Like UFOs, I'll only believe things when I see it.

    If You Thought Mueller Had Settled Matters, Think Again
     
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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

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    A Trump appointee downplaying the unethical (at best) behavior by Trump and his campaign team?

    You don't say.

    Edit: I want the full report, without redactions and with all supporting documentation made available, released.
     
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    William Barr Has Failed America

    Nadler prepares subpoena for full Mueller report

    Well, it's obvious we can't trust him. Duh.
    This is just the start...

    The net is widening
    Mueller report ropes in Senate GOP — POLITICO

    And the questions are multiplying
    Redacted Mueller report lays out obstruction evidence against the president — The Washington Post

    And people are connecting the dots...
    Mueller whacks Trump with evidence of obstruction

    Potential obstruction???
    POLITICO Playbook PM: The report is out: Trump tried to remove Mueller

    Will there be consequences??
    Mueller Did His Job. Now It’s Our Turn

    EXACTLY!
    The real question is whether there will anything be done?
    Explosion...or poof?
    Or more bile to rot the campaign...the swamp mires the boat and drown.

    Or will he float away unharmed...a inflatable buoyed by his ego and audacity (and pushed along by his "allies")
     
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    I do wonder if anyone is going to convert it into a searchable and editable format, because I know a few of the answers to what is behind a few redacted parts (just from what has been reported in the news). I wonder if people will try and unredact it as a challenge. Roger Stone's name is an obvious one that has been redacted.

    For instance, Reality Winner leaked some information that fills in the blank on page 51 (pdf page 59).

    Leaked NSA docs: Russian military hacked US voting software company, spearphished 122 election officials

    Federal Government Contractor in Georgia Charged With Removing and Mailing Classified Materials to a News Outlet
     
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    Now the 2nd act begins, in truth (*hopefully for truth...)
    Barr’s Hearing Was A Sneak Peek At The Next Few Months In Washington

    They're solidifying Mueller actually having testimony in Congress
    Lawmaker Says He Is Trying to Nail Down a Date for Mueller to Testify

    Meanwhile, AG Barr gets his ass handed to him while testifying. (most of the GOP went for the decoy, noting Clinton emails, Benghazi, Whitewater and so much other past distractions...they're like a bad magician playing to fools)
    Ten key takeaways from William Barr’s Senate hearing on Russian interference in the 2016 election

    I must say, the Dems had their guns aimed sharp today...often their aim is worse than a Stormtrooper.

    But as always, we'll see if this makes a difference, Justice often goes to die in Congress in a fog.
    Actually, it depends on the media...if it gets distracted itself...or will it march a drum beat?? (they're the ones that decide what gets out there and is pushed)

    Let's hope a beloved celebrity doesn't die during this time. :rolleyes:
     
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    When I first saw this I thought for sure it was an Onion article.
    Fuck, if someone had turned this in as a screenplay back in the early 2000's, no one would have bought it.
    "Buddy, we can make movies about kids fucking pies, Tom Green fucking anything, and Nicholas Cage with his head in a cage full of bees, but this is just silly."
     
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    The Trump administration is in contempt of Congress - NYT Editorial Board

    The question is...does Congress, especially the House have the guts to follow through and do something about it???
    The Dems are not know for being aggressive, they play it safe often.
     
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  17. redux

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    Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) just spoke about Trump and Barr attempting to subvert the US House of Representatives from performing its constitutional responsibility of oversight of the Executive Branch.

    "That is one of the legitimate roles of the House, to have oversight, to basically hold accountable the decisions made by these agencies. Congress requested records, let us see your records, your emails, your decision-making memos. Let us look at these things so we can make sure when you knew these things and how far along did you know it and what did you do to stop it...But the Attorney General has refused. And so, ....the committee has voted to hold him in contempt and now the full House will hold a vote on that as well.

    I agree with them. I think it is outrageous for any attorney general - Republican or Democrat - to refuse to comply with Congress's constitutional right to hold them accountable and the Justice Department accountable....and the stonewalling by the Attorney General has been so egregious, that i think he has to resign....

    This YouTube video was posted by Republicans for the Rule of Law.

     
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  18. rogue49

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    Except that this was back in 2012.
    So this is again about sides. What the GOP acted on (not said) was depending on if they were attacking a Democrat or not.
    I don't see Rubio saying the same against a Republican now. (and the same may be true of a Dem, if the same thing occurred to them)

    And the fact that even IF there was a vote of contempt, they couldn't do anything. Because I don't remember the AG resigning back then...or ANY consequences.
    So I hate to say...nothing is likely to happen now. :rolleyes:
     
  19. redux

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    Yes. Thanks for correcting me on that video.

    It was, in fact, posted on YouTube today by Republicans for the Rule of Law, a group of conservative attorneys formed to challenge Trump's disdain for the law, but, as you noted, it was a video from 2012 of Rubio speaking about Obama AG Eric Holder. So it does not demonstrate Rubio's current commitment to the rule of law but his partisan double standards and hypocrisy.

    From the Republicans for the Rule of Law :
    Republicans: Your Silence is Deafening:
    President Trump obstructed justice. Speak up for the rule of law.



    It wasnt always that way. Certainly, partisanship is, was and will always be, foremost in the actions of members of Congress. But I remember when working in the US Senate in the early 1980s, there were senators on both sides who would put the rule of law above party when it mattered most. Guys like Bob Dole (R-KS), Daniel Patrick Moynahan (D-NY), Howard Baker (R-TN), William Proxmire (D-WI) and, the senator I worked for, Jennings Randolph (D-WV).

    I cant name one Senator from either party today who, IMO, could be counted on to rise to the occasion in a similar manner.
     
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