1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
Dismiss Notice
Hey Guest!
The donation button is here.
https://goo.gl/aFggcs

Politics The Probe

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
  2. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist

    Location:
    North
    Obstruction is a crime in and of itself.
    You may not like that there is an investigation but you get a fucking lawyer and follow the rules.
    Just saying no, I don't want to play is not how it works.
    That's not how any of this works.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Trumps gets a counselori, and they both break the rules.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom

    View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181883934776401920


    Is a "Wirch Hunt" a legal concept I'm not aware of? :eek:

    As to Jesse Watters (Fox News) remark, he incorrectly states the whistleblower has a "professional relationship with one of the Democrats running against President" when in fact, it is not a current relationship, but a past relationship.

    But that relationship is not really relevant given that the Intelligence Inspector General (a Trump appointee) said despite the person's possible political bias, the complaint was "credible and urgent" and the CIA's top general counsel (a Trump appointee) believed the complaint was credible and urgent enough to make a criminal referral to the Dept. of Justice
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    And now they've got him directly on obstruction...
    They want him to resist...and all his minions too.
    Democrats see an upside to Trump stonewalling their impeachment inquiry

    Meanwhile, Trump isn't the only one that play hardball.
    House Democrats Are Going With 'No Play, No Pay' to Get Trumpists to Testify

    And the House is the one in charge of money
    The Senate has no say.
    Neither do the courts.

    Do your job
    Then ya get paid.

    And I'm sure they can cut off spending for whole departments too, if not in compliance.
    Money talks, bullshit walks.
     
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2019
    • Like Like x 2
  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    More information about Counselori Guiliani's role in the Ukraine scandal.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9c101a-eb63-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

    Did Counselori Guiliani advice them to leave the country?

    I'm seriously hoping this reaches the point where the Trump/Guiliani attorney-client privilege is declared moot because Counselori acted as an agent and employee, not as an attorney. It certainly appears as thought that line has been crossed many, many times.

    I have no idea what would need to transpire for this to happen. If the investigators can crack Guiliani, legally and literally (a much more difficult task?), Trump is in trouble.

    And it would glorious if Trump in his "great and unmatched wisdom" got nailed (red handed, holding a smoking gun) offering presidential pardons. IIRC he got caught at least once "suggesting" a pardon, but it was indirect and vague (legally speaking that is, his meaning was certainly clear).
     
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

    Interesting perspective
    And right on the nose historically

    But unfortunately, the current GOP leadership is in alliance with Trump, there are unspoken and unmarketed connections

    Mitch McConnell for example...
    And they’re revealing more daily
    It’s a twisted web
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    By the end of this week we should have some interesting information to mull over.

    Will a smoking gun be revealed?

    Or will the testimony be along the lines of "I'm not aware of any quid pro quo," and "I don't know what the president knew."?
     
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    The Republicans, and the conservative media, are being silent because they can't defend Shyster Trump, and they want the impeachment inquiry to be perceived of as sour grapes by the Democrats.

    The Democrats, at least the wise ones IMO, are being cautious because of "sour grapes."

    And it would really help to have a Smoking Gun. There are a lot of voters who won't consider the shadow efforts as an impeachable offense, even though Shyster Trump has clearly violated the law several times. To them a mountain of "circumstantial" evidence won't be enough.

    ...........

    Counselori Giuliani is a loyal pit bull, willing to fight to the death. But what happens if Shyster Trump makes a stupid compulsive move that Counselori perceives as being betrayed? The expectation of unwavering loyalty has been a Giuliani strength and weakness for decades.
     
  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Counselori Giuliani has said he will refuse to honor House subpoenas (is subpoeni the proper Latin?) . The House has the constitutional right to issue the subpoenas, and Counselori is obligated to honor them. Of course he can refuse to produce documents, emails, text messages, etc., for a variety of reasons, but he needs to appear and then present his case. This could bring to a head what I've previously mentioned: At what point will Attorney-Client Privilege be challenged, and possibly legally declared moot, invalid, non-applicable, etc.?

    While Shyster Trump continues to demand a House vote regarding the impeachment inquiry, which is something the House is not required to do.

    Many people, and not just the White House and other Republicans desperate to delay the inquiry, support a vote. On the surface it's easy to think, "Why not? If you have the votes to make the impeachment inquiry "official," do it."

    No. Absolutely not. To do so would suggests a policy of appeasement, and give Shyster Trump a victory, so to say. Do not let Shyster and the Republicans gain any ground. Do not allow them to break and rewrite the rules. Do not let them rewrite Constitutional law.

    Of course the majority of the Senate Republicans remain silent, they want the inquiry to become bogged down, and die. That would save them from voting to not impeach a guilty POTUS.


    Of course we have the Big Question: What would happen if we had a Democrat POTUS, a Republican House, and Democrat Senate? The answer to that question would support the charge of partisan politics and sour grapes (which doesn't, or shouldn't, change the fact Trump acted inappropriately and the House is doing the right thing). Unfortunately that seems to be the nature of politics these days.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Last Friday, three House committees heard in private from former US ambassador to Ukraine who was fired (recalled) by Trump at the request of Guiliani because she opposed his "shadow" activities in Ukraine outside of government channels and oversight . Monday, they heard from Trump's top National Security Council official who resigned over the same concerns of Ukraine policies being directed by a "shadow" group led by Guiliani. Today, they are hearing from the former chief of staff at State Dept who resigned over similar concerns and, tomorrow, from the former US ambassador to the EU who has emails and a paper trail that refute Trump's version of events.

    All of the above were directed by the White House not to testify. They all asked to be subpoenaed so that they could refuse the White House demands and appear because they put the rule of law above covering Trump's ass.

    The House committees have also requested a number of documents....

    [​IMG]

    NY Times reporter Nick Fandos explains why the testimony and depositions are in private...

    The Democrats are trying to collect as much information as possible as quickly as possible. Big made-for-TV hearings are a chaotic and clunky way to try to build a body of evidence. They allow witnesses to line up their stories in advance and could easily backfire on Democrats trying to build a public narrative in real time.

    Most congressional veterans would tell you that from a fact-finding point of view, you are better off following the Watergate model: Investigate in private first, then choreograph a series of public hearings that recreate for the public what the investigation found. Republicans, nevertheless, are accusing Democrats of impeaching a president in secret.​

    It appears there may be another few days of private testimony and depositions next week after which it will all be turned over to the House Judiciary Committee and, at some point, in the near future, the public "impeachment inquiry" will begin.

    Added....


    View: https://twitter.com/PoliticusSarah/status/1184122720377806849?s=19
     
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2019
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Unfortunately for the Republicans
    The majority in the House can do it however they want.

    Just like the GOP did in the Clinton impeachment

    What comes around goes around...
     
  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    McConnell eyes quick impeachment trial in Senate

    The Turtle is going to move fast
    Way to give a constitutional crisis the attention and consideration it needs.
    Rush it through.

    The man is despicable...always has been, always will.
    He has done this nation such a disservice.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Unfortunately, that truth, or at very least that perception, is hurting the Democrats.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Mulvaney acknowledges Trump held up Ukraine aid for political reasons: 'Get over it' — NBC News

    Nope
    Won’t get over it.

    If ya can be impeached over lying about a blowjob
    Then get ready to be impeached for defying Congress appropriation for your own campaign by leveraging a foreign nation to spy on your opponents.

    Besides...since Pelosi is saying “all roads with you lead to Putin”
    Sounds like you’re going to be impeached for working with our enemies.
    The election
    Syria
    Ukraine
    Etc

    So it’s a “bit” more than just foreign policy

    The only thing keeping it from going faster is Mitch McConnell
    And the knowledge that everything has to be the overwhelming

    Nancy is setting a trap for you
    And you’re walking right into it

    Keep talking...
    This is ALL being recorded and may be held against you
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2019
    • Like Like x 2
  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Clinton email probe finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information — Reuters

    No shit Sherlock

    Here’s a tangent probe that should have died years ago.
    One of the biggest red herrings
    And helped get us an insane president (Thanks Comey)

    Let’s hope this dies, is forgotten,
    And we can now totally focus on a REAL probe
    To kick out that same insane president

    Let’s do it right this time
    And the right reasons

    Probes should be not political
    They should be for justice
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    • Like Like x 1