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Politics Ukraine and Putin's power grab

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Mar 3, 2014.

  1. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist

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    My uncle ran a company that sells widgets for drilling oil out of Texas but he ships out to all over the world.
    He's retired now but my cousin runs the company now.
    Most of the parts are for things like deep water drilling and extreme weather. special casings, seals, and the such like.

    Guess what the latest product is we can't sell to Russia?
    That will make the largest drilling project ever put together between Exxon and Rosneft a lot more difficult if not impossible.

    Europe finally got the guts to go after oil but the still won't shut down gas.

    And we finally have a ambassador to Russia after months of going without so at least there will be someone there to speak for the president/
    Thanks Congress, you lazy bastards.
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    This just in...Putin is "winging it"

    No, duh :rolleyes:

    You know, this is why we got rid of top-down government...because, often even top leaders are just "human" and react.
    Like a kid with a hammer.

    Right now, he's just surviving and trying to save face.
    Kind of like you "screwed up" and don't want to lose your job.
     
  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Well, it looks like Mr. Putin is showing his true colors again...and you cannot trust him.

    1. a dupe "rescue" mission into the Ukraine, without their permission...and looks like more proof that he's directing the "rebels"
    2. Russian hackers got into several big banks...and it looks like it was state supported too, by its sophistication and scope.

    I guess Putin tried to pull a fast one by "withdrawing" and then while the US was distracted by ISIS and Furgeson.

    But unlike many other US leaders...I think Obama is one to be able to handle it and whack him down again and pay a price.
    One, as shown to McCain...he's able to handle more than one big thing at a time, when he didn't halt he election campaign...and got involved in the economic crisis.
    Two, once he's shown people's true pattern of selfishness, he gives up giving them the benefit of the doubt and takes action...and then some.

    I think Putin is about to really get surprised at the reaction and impact to him.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    And now we've got this...

    Putin says, Don't mess with nuclear Russia

    Are we now back to nuclear threats??? :eek:

    The man has been taking a bit too many steroids and testosterone for his bare-chested hunting trips.
    Frankly, he's gone from Machiavellian to mad.
     
  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  6. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    And the United States is the only country in the world to have ever actually used nuclear weapons against an enemy.
     
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    And your point is??
    I think the US knows it's not to do anything...especially after the Cuban Missile Crisis.
    M.A.D.
     
  8. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Exactly. We're the only two countries that might actually get into this fight, and both of us know better than to ever actually DO anything... but just in case each of us is still nursing a healthy terror that the other might just be stupid enough to risk annihilating the world.
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Well, that's not quite true...there are more that have nukes that may more likely use them.
    North Korea
    India
    Pakistan
    Israel

    That's all I can think of that may be in an aggressive situation and unstable state to do it.
    What I'm worried about is one of these that may be a catalyst for a much broader situation.

    My question isn't the US at the moment...our current executive leader is stable and thoughtful. (and has checks on his power)
    It's Putin that worries me...he's not quite consistent at the moment...doesn't have any checks on his power...and he's being aggressive.
     
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    And Putin throws another Multi-Billionaire oligarch into the dungeons... - Link
    And will eat his house.

    The Big Oil Game is a slick one in Russia.
    Even their 1% aren't safe.
     
  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I wonder if Putin will survive Big Oil's price dive???
    Ruble Rally Turns to Rout as Fortunes Tied to Sinking Oil

    Will they oust him?
    Will he become like a rat in a corner?
    Will he withdraw from Ukraine's border and the rebels, because he can't afford it now.

    It's like he's experiencing the biggest hangover after his big expensive party of the Olympics...and the snatch & grab of the neighbor's property.
    What a shame...the bad things we do when we're drunk (with power) :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Supposedly they are selling off a 19.5% stake in Rosneft in an attempt to raise some funds to combat the fall of oil and the rouble. Lots of debt coming due in the next year, and without cash or a strong rouble it will be very difficult to keep up with.

    Not sure I'd want to be a minority investor in a company the Russian govt/Putin was the main owner of. He might just decide he wants my part back...
     
  14. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    Kind of makes you think it might have been a direct effort on the part of the nations allied against Russia to keep the price of oil low...
     
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    While I wouldn't be surprised if they "encouraged" it or conversed about it...I doubt direct manipulation would be capable much less allowing themselves to be caught doing it. (too many conflict of interest from too many players)

    On another note...Putin's points of pain...
    6 Charts That Illustrate Vladimir Putin's World of Pain

    Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

    No doubt, he has brought this on himself and just had some bad luck too.
    But still the question is, how does he react? Die (politically) - Stand (and back off) - Attack (lashing out)
    All bets are on.
    "Crazy Ivan" here. No predicting.

    All opponents and competitors can do is leverage things to his weakness and their benefit...bit by bit.
    Like a person on the rack.
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    What are the odds that he saw this coming? What are the odds that he has been putting pieces in place for a while now?

    After all, war is good business.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    War...yes, especially after he got the Olympics over and done with...and the Ukraine looked like they were going over the "other side"
    But I think he mis-guessed or was caught unaware of the Big Oil changes.

    Actually, I think the changes surprised everyone in leadership.
    Many oil watcher-economists predicted what was going to happen. (including myself way back, first hearing about the technique and seeing the bubble)
    ...but I think most leaders weren't paying attention.
    Except perhaps the Saudis...they've been preparing for this awhile it seems...and figured out a way to leverage it.

    Nah, Putin got bitch-slapped by fate on this one.
    He presumed that oil would keep it's price up. (a foolish notion on his part...it's been over-speculated for a long time)
     
  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Yet...

    Vladimir Putin, oil, rouble all headed for 63 - or why Russia is shrugging off sanctions

    I like a few points in this article, but this one stood out: "A friend of Mr Putin who spoke on condition of anonymity said sanctions won't work because the US and European Union don't understand the Russian mentality. The country endured the Siege of Leningrad for more than two years during World War II and will survive this too, he said."
     
  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Yep, I read the same article, it was good...and I agree to a certain extent.
    Yet, things may have changed in Russia, people once they get the taste of something...they may not want to go back.

    Putin may be surprised that his nation doesn't want to live in the past like himself.
    Hey, the Romanovs learned that lesson the hard way. (as have other past Russian authority figures...)
    And history often repeats itself...especially from those who've not learned from it.

    As they say, "We'll see"
    Again, I'm not betting on anything...it's up for grabs.
    The only thing I'm betting on is Russia getting weaker and more isolated...and their competitors getting a leg up on their disadvantage.
    It is not the same as the past...that would be a mistake to make.

    In reality, it's not the other nations he has to worry about...it's his own people...
    What that proponent is not noting...yes, they can withstand much...but also, Russians bury their past leaders fast & deep...as cold as their winter.
     
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  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Putin Grasps at Straws as Economic Cures Fail to Impress

    Actually, from a totally intellectual perspective...this is quite interesting.
    How a very powerful leader deals with crisis or falls.

    But I'd hate to be Obama or Ukraine or any other person/country of interest as this starts to get even more messy.
    The consequences could be profound...if not extremely dangerous.
    The collapse of a nuclear country is bigtime. (because this BigOil dive and sanctions may bring down all of Russia...not just Putin)
    We're still dealing with the cascading affects after the USSR died at the end of the cold war.

    The Dept of Energy and CIA must be scrambling...preparing for a potential fall.
    Much less NATO or any other European agency.