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US orders Health Insurance to Cover Birth Control for Women

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by PonyPotato, Aug 1, 2011.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    God forbid women moving closer to the level of sexual freedom enjoyed by men.

    Damned liberty. It's such a challenge to old-world morals.
     
  2. tfpfreak

    tfpfreak New Member

    Touché my friend. Very good point.
     
  3. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I can't believe anyone would suggest that Plan B be used in any sort of regular fashion. The women I know who have resorted to using it swore they *never* wanted to *ever* go through using it again. It was a very harsh process. It's not a headache pill.

    Thinking about it, it might not be a bad idea to encourage the use of Plan B. If anything it will encourage the use of proper contraception.
    /removes tongue from cheek
     
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  4. DamnitAll

    DamnitAll Wait... what?

    Location:
    Central MD
    Excuse the salty language, but I say it's about fucking time. The fact that erectile dysfunction medications have been covered by insurance for years while birth control hasn't is inexcusable, yet it speaks volumes about, well, everything.
     
  5. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Again I'm reminded of corporations who fail the Internet. I can't view it because I'm in Canada and so they forward me to the Canadian comedy network that distributes the show: but they send me to the Colbert page in general rather than anything pointing me to the clip. You'd think with today's video and Internet technology that they could work something out.

    But no. I suppose there is no interest in helping those who aren't in your market.

    Fail.

    Is it funny?
     
  7. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    It's very funny, Baraka. I wish it was on youtube so you could watch it. :(
     
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I used to scan the clips on the Canadian site to find what people link to, but I've lost the patience for it. I know it's a funny show, but I don't watch much television to begin with.
     
  9. This is exciting. 18-24 year old women are usually too poor to afford it, and condoms are really annoying.
     
  10. Xerxes

    Xerxes Bulking.

    So, kid screaming every two hours in the dead of night because he/she/it shit itself ... that you can handle then?
     
  11. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    shouldn't condoms be covered before birth control? there are far more problems that could be cured by people using condoms instead of birth control, and i don't agree that viagra should be covered either.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Maybe condoms are covered.

    I've read that this mandate covers all FDA-approved contraceptive methods, which includes condoms. However, I'm not sure many doctors would prescribe over-the-counter items rather than prescription drugs or devices such as the IUD.

    The mandate is a part of a wider set of items intended for women's sexual and reproductive health, which includes both pregnancy prevention and preventative health. This goes well beyond the function of the male condom, even if you look purely at the pill vs. condoms. There are benefits to taking the pill even while not sexually active.
     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Anything that allows people more control and discretion over their lives is good.

    Preventing the unwanted pregnancies - good.

    Making the insurance companies do their job - good.

    The whole reason for much of Obamacare and other acts recently is due to each insurance company picking and choosing.
    Often short-sighted, often pure selfishness and profit-motivated...they've chosen to not allow many services or meds.
    There is an inconsistency throughout the industry.

    In addition, it's somewhat like false advertising...if you PAY someone (and your company PAYS too) to cover your medical.
    Then along the way, the place just "decides" not to cover it.
    Then aren't they taking money for nothing?

    That would be like you paying for a haircut, where you're expecting shampoo to be used.
    Then them telling you that shampoo has been declined...because it's unnecessary...or out of coverage...etc.

    Or next time, you're getting a tune up...and they decide not to put in new spark plugs.

    When you have insurance, your company gives you a list of benefits...your should be aware of those benefits when you get them.
    Then how would you know otherwise? How do you know if you're getting what you're think you're paying for.
    It's one of the biggest scams in the world.

    Birth control is preventative medicine.
    You'd think they'd want to save money on the big L&D hospital expenses... :rolleyes:
     
  14. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Being a woman should not be a pre-existing medical condition, as much as it would please those on the right to continue with existing double standards and discrimination in health care.
     
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  15. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    i was just making the comment that condoms prevent pregnancy and disease while birth control just controls pregnancy, and thus from a healthcare standpoint it would make more sense to supply the former as opposed to birth control pills.

    what is this being a woman is a pre existing condition nonsense anyway?

    i feel sorry for someone who feels somehow oppressed because the government won't provide their birth control. it's a rough world out there and if this gets you worked up i can't imagine how hard everyday life is.
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    The pill does more than control pregnancy. That's why it doesn't make more sense to supply a rubber thingy to put over an erect penis as a preventative health measure for women. Even if we're talking simply about pregnancy, there's still that issue of the rubber thingy for cocks as a "more sensible" tool for women.

    This makes you sound like an apologist for those who would discriminate against women when it comes to health services.

    What about those who don't feel oppressed? What about those who feel discriminated against? What about those concerned about double standards?
     
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  17. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Gender rating (charging women more for the same policy as men or charging a healthy woman of child bearing age more than an overweight male smoker of the same age) is hardly nonsense. It is a common practice that is prohibited under the ACA.

    And this not about the government providing birth control, but having birth control covered by private insurance that women pay for in the form of premiums (but w/o an additional co-pay).
     
  18. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    ahh yes no one should be able to tell a woman what to do with 'her' body, keep the government out of the bedroom etc. but oh yeah we want to force you to pay for birth control. the argument doesn't work for me, and no i dont think we should be paying for boner pills either.

    also, it is about government providing birth control. when the government 1: forces everyone to carry insurance, and 2: forces insurance companies to cover certain things then that's government run healthcare right there. the insurance agencies might as well be a branch under the department of health or something because that's their role. this is what liberals call 'free market' and conservatives fall into the trap of defending this crony capitalism.
     
  19. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Right. "Free market" gender rating discrimination is much better public policy....with women, in some cases, paying $1,200/yr more than a man for the same policy.

    [​IMG]

    And lets just ignore the distinctions and implications between a woman's choice for the best birth control option that medically suits her as opposed to a man sliding latex over an external body part.
     
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  20. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    is it really discrimination or is it that this class of people simply cost more to insure like smokers, drinkers, people with diabetus etc?

    i remember paying more for motorcycle insurance because i was young. is that really age discrimination or is it that young people tend to drive like idiots on motorcycles thus costing more as a class to ensure?

    i fail to see this discrimination