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Politics What is happening????

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    I'm expecting at least some of Trump's financial dealings to get hacked and/or leaked.

    I wonder if the IRS has All Things Trump under special security?

    What if the GOP turned its Dark Forces loose to secretly & illegally investigate Trump?
    And then used that info in an effort to force Trump to resign?

    I don't think White Collar Crime prison time would frighten Trump.

    I think the possibility of being exposed as a mediocre business man would scare the shit out of Trump.

    Unless his narcissistic delusions are so extreme he refuses to see the truth about himself.

    Note--The Savings & Loan Crisis (Reagan fans conveniently overlook this), and The Oil Bust, showed me one thing very clearly: Real estate holdings are worthless shit when no one is buying, leasing, booking, etc.
     
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  2. omega

    omega Very Tilted Donor

    Back in the 90s, trump was going though bankruptcy because of taking money out of his casinos. Wilbur Ross came in and negotiated a deal, saving trump and setting him up to continue to screw his investors. Guess who is trump's commerce secretary now?
     
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  3. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    I'm surprised more isn't written about how we don't know how this is going to end. In 10-20 years we will look back on this time and think we should have all known, and it was obvious. But, I don't know what crazy stuff will happen next week or a few years from now.

    I do know that the country is broken due to the inflexibility on abortion rights, gun control, corporate control, and high taxes paying for certain government programs. And I have a hard time seeing things change without a much better and "perfect" political candidate. And it is going to have to be a straight white guy in their 40's-60's who can command respect and whose morals are clean.
     
  4. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    No lasting progress will be made as long as the two major parties keep tearing down what the other has accomplished; I don't see partisan politics moving towards middle ground any time soon. Trump has very clearly proved at least one thing, playing partisan politics is the way to go.
     
  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    This happened yesterday and is the third or fourth Trump supporter who has pleaded guilty to federal charges of making death threats against members of Congress (and/or other related charges).

    Rep. Ilhan Omar wants compassion for Trump supporter convicted of making death threats against her

    A man who threatened to kill Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) has pleaded guilty, according to authorities.

    Patrick W. Carlineo Jr., 55, of Addison, N.Y., entered the guilty plea before Chief U.S. District Judge Frank P. Geraci for threatening to assault and murder the freshman congresswoman and for being a felon in possession of firearms, according to a statement released Monday by the Department of Justice.

    The plea stems from a March call that Carlineo made to Omar’s Washington, D.C., office. “Do you work for the Muslim Brotherhood?” he said to a member of Omar’s staff in that call, according to a complaint filed earlier this year. “Why are you working for her, she’s a [expletive] terrorist. Somebody ought to put a bullet in her skull.” The staff member remembered Carlineo saying, “I’ll put a bullet in her [expletive] skull,” the complaint said.

    Carlineo made the call, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of New York, because he hates the idea that people he perceives as radical Muslims are part of the U.S. government and because of his belief that Omar supports Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. Carlineo also believed that Omar’s election to Congress was illegitimate, authorities said.

    Although he faces up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine, Omar wrote an open letter to Geraci requesting that he refrain from sentencing Carlineo to a long prison term and a large fine.

    Carlineo needs compassion and restorative justice that will allow him to understand the consequences of his actions and to make amends, she wrote.

    View: https://twitter.com/Ilhan/status/1196847767764815872?s=19



    Here is the DOJ press release...

    Steuben County Man Pleads Guilty To Threatening To Kill A U.S. Congresswoman And Illegally Possessing Firearms

    There are at least four or five others, in addition to the three or four who have pleaded guilty, still facing similar federal charges.



     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nterview-shows-power-fox-news-disinformation/

    McConnell will take all his cues from the WH lawyers...

    And with the win of Boris’ party in UK
    Etc and so on...

    It seems that all the stable, intelligent, business as usual governmenting that we came to expect for the past some decades
    ...all had been turned on its head.

    Is this just us??? (and our raging subgroups)
    Is the holes in the system?
    Is this Russia instigating, pot stirring and pushing the button? (and China, Saudis, etc)
    All the above and then some?

    It seems topsy-turvy everywhere
    Like we are going from post-Cold War
    To before World War I...

    I wonder if we’ll survive this?
    Armageddon or after Rome fell?

    It just seems completely absurd at the moment
     
  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    Supreme Court will take up Trump’s broad claims of protection from investigation
    So the Court will hear the case in March (it is still a travesty that the Supreme Court will not allow live video to watch the arguments made by both sides and the questioning by justices) and the decision announced in June.

    This will be a true test of the Supreme Court's independence and respect for precedence in which case, in my non-legal opinion, it should be a no-brainer and Trump loses.

    But these are not normal times.
     
  9. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    It would be interesting if the Supreme Court had cameras, but wouldn't release the video until after the decision was made, or even held off on releasing the videos for years or decades afterwards.
     
  10. ASU2003

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    We can only hope that Kentucky replaces him as their senator in November. The new governor made it easier for non-violent felons to vote, and the GOP will have a harder time cheating now too.

    As to the next issue, I don't blame Russia or any other country. It is the media and on-line groups that are the problem. Watch this clip from PBS Newshour about it.

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNpy1TYQITc


    Being semi-anonymous or fully anonymous allows people to give their true opinions on-line. 20 years ago, if you put someone up on a stage in front of 1,000 people from the community and let them speak their mind on an issue like Hispanic immigration, they would have been afraid to be crass and talk bad about them. Either the religious people in the stands would have been upset, or people thought there were very few racists/nationalists who would support their views. But the media started to denigrate the immigrants and then people would talk to their work buddies and friends to spread the word and make it seem safe to talk about it. Once the forums and social media pages took off, you would get feedback and more likes the worse the things you said were.
     
  11. rogue49

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  13. rogue49

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    On the same note...and why we’re in a mess all over...
    Our leaders cannot or won’t pay attention
    Senate impeachment trial rules: No phones and no talking for senators - CNNPolitics

    The fact you need rules to focus your leaders on an important matter, is sad and an impact to our ability to govern and make correct decisions.

    It’s almost as if we need a “no texting” law to keep their attention on the road ahead and 2 hands on the wheel to navigate safely.

    Again, this is worldwide
    It is an aspect of the concept of Future Shock
    Where people are overwhelmed or overly distracted by the variety and volume of options and fast pace.
    Leaders are more concerned with agendas, marketing and lobbyists than attending oversight and making informed government decisions.

    It’s as if we have the the same problem we had when we had the nobility...and before WWI

    Focus
    Be informed
    Make thoughtful decisions
     
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    "Flood the zone with shit": How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy

    Yes, the misinformation is significantly altering our perception
    Except this is not just in the US and for just this event

    This is happening throughout the globe
    Nations governance affected
    Voters manipulated
    People’s minds blurred and twisted

    Some countries and groups are instigating this for their own gain
    Or to weaken opposition or competition

    They want chaos to reign

    So what is the solution???

    Put laws up what media can’t post?
    That’s a slippery slope and then some

    Teach people how to filter out false facts and agendas?
    That may be affective...because it emphasizes people thinking for themselves

    Perhaps laws that politicians cannot lie.
    That would be nice for a change.

    But you’re certainly not going to get them to pass laws and policy
    Not when they’re the ones doing it in the first place...or at least gaining by it.
    That’s like having them vote their own wages...
    Conflict of interest

    We got to somehow rein this in
    Smooth out the chaos
    Put a light on the gray
     
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  15. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted Donor

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    The right learned after Obama's 2008 victory that the internet and people's opinion was being shaped by the culture of the internet. Back in the mid-2000's the internet forums were different. Comment sections weren't always great, but they weren't flooded with bots and trolls like they are now.

    Part of this was that Obama used data and the Internet to win. Maybe they got lucky and more of his supporters defended him on-line back in the 2008 election cycle, but it also seemed that the support he had on-line vanished as soon as the conservatives moved in and the Democrats thought it was a waste of time to argue on-line. And all of the DeleteFacebook stuff isn't helping to overwhelm and shift the culture on-line by out commenting them.

    Take the climate change debate. In scientific circles, there is a vast majority that have studied and have found evidence of how it is occurring. However, on-line, people might be skimming a headline or the comment section and it seems more like 50-50. Maybe even less if people are curating their news and friends to limit information they don't like.
     
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  16. rogue49

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  17. rogue49

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    View: https://mobile.twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/1219645696254627841
    —————-

    From the order:

    Sec. 3. Function. (a) The Commission shall study issues related to law enforcement and the administration of justice and make recommendations to the Attorney General, who shall submit a report and recommendations to the President on actions that can be taken to prevent, reduce, and control crime, increase respect for the law, and assist victims. The Commission shall undertake, as directed by the Attorney General, a review of relevant research and expertise and make recommendations regarding important current issues facing law enforcement and the criminal justice system such as:

    (i) challenges to law enforcement associated with mental illness, homelessness, substance abuse, and other social factors that influence crime and strain criminal justice resources;

    (iv) refusals by State and local prosecutors to enforce laws or prosecute categories of crimes;

    (v) the physical safety, health, and wellness of law enforcement officers;

    (vi) the need to promote public respect for the law and law enforcement officers;

    (viii) the use of targeted deterrence approaches to reduce violent crime;
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    From the DOJ official announcement:

    The Executive Order instructs the Commission to conduct its study by focusing on the law enforcement officers who are tasked with reducing crime on a daily basis. It also directs the Commission to research "important current issues facing law enforcement and the criminal justice system," and recommends a variety of subjects for study, such as, but not limited to:

    The challenges to law enforcement associated with mental illness, homelessness, substance abuse, and other social factors that influence crime and strain criminal justice resources;

    The recruitment, hiring, training, and retention of law enforcement officers, including in rural and tribal communities;

    Refusals by State and local prosecutors to enforce laws or prosecute categories of crimes;

    The need to promote public confidence and respect for the law and law enforcement officers; and

    The effects of technological innovations on law enforcement and the criminal justice system, including the challenges and opportunities presented by such innovations.
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    Uhh, ohh
    Here we go...

    Not to go Godwin, but that’s some potential Nazi stuff right there

    So the impeachment just got that more important

    Because this is like a plot we’ve heard before
    Can’t they come up with anything new??

    But, if it works
    And some of the audience is receptive
    If it ain’t “broke” don’t fix it

    But boy are they gonna break us...
     
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  18. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    I don't know about Nazi but it sure the hell is the first step towards Fascism.
    American Fascism will never look like German.
    It will have its own flavor and style of nasty.
    We have to fight back against it just as hard.
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member Donor

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    Yes, but I said it that way to make a point
    Unfortunately, it’s not often paid attention to until something lights a fire under it.

    Also unfortunate, it’s why we’re in this mess.
    Most have been taking a simmer attitude on it.
    And it should be a fire alarm.

    There’s a danger here that’s slowly going to explode
    In one way or another

    It’s just increasing in pressure...bit by bit
    Sometimes by jumps

    Then you get people afterwards, going “how could this happen??”
    Well, duh...it was obvious and apparent, NOT hidden. (although with smoke & mirrors)
    but ignored, dismissed or not dealt with quickly.

    Perhaps we should use Nazis as an example.
    Not to undermine the memory of horrors they did do
    But to light a fire in the souls now, to prevent more

    Sometimes it’s necessary to shout out about monsters.
     
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  20. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    The only problem with using Nazis as an example is the asshats point to 45 and say, "He isn't a Nazi, his daughter is Jewish. The Orthodox Jews in Israel love him."
    Calling him Mussolini is probably more accurate but a good portion of Americans these days have no idea who you are talking about.
     
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