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Politics What is happening????

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    This is why I'm not big on lots of private schools, or libertarian voucher systems..
    I don't trust the private school model to teach a unified core education so we all operate on the same basic world view (actual known reality) with room for the unknown or changing edges of science as we learn more.

    I remember being somewhat quietly shocked that one of my best friends during highschool didn't believe in dinosaurs.
    I didn't believe in then, I knew of them, as a knowable reality rather than a belief to accept or dismiss.
    A girl he dated once told me, he said he couldn't kiss her because he wasn't sure if he could/wanted to marry her...
    I didn't realize his parents were so hard core like that.

    But to the lost indoctrinated into the Q world...I read that deprogramming can be as difficult as a one on one process and fairly time consuming.
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    The Prodigal Republicans

    Agreed...something is better than nothing.
    Move forward

    However, you cannot ignore or sweep things under the rug totally either

    1. Find out what happened...know where the crud and cockroaches are. Ignorance is NOT bliss.

    2. Get certain things on record. We need this for history and confirmation. Not to blame or get apologies but to say it was done.

    3. Push to move from what got us into trouble

    4. Create laws AND penalties that now harden and certify expectations. There’s been way too much done by tradition or ambiguity.
    We need to lock down things so future powerful people can’t push the envelope because it’s not LAW.
    The Supreme Court shouldn’t be used this way so much. Because is NOT clear in the constitution.

    Hopefully, it can become better by showing us where our holes are. We can all fill in those gaps.
     
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  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    The Republican Accountability Project is targeting 22 Republican Senators with ads on Fox News (and local Fox affiliates) this week "aimed at 22 senators the group views as potential votes for conviction."


    Sen. McConnell, Vote to Convict Trump


    “Sen. McConnell, Donald Trump incited an attack on our Capitol.
    It’s up to you to convict and disqualify him,” the narrator of the ad
    that will run in Kentucky says." (above)

    Republican group pressures GOP senators to convict Trump in impeachment trial
    The Republican Accountability Project also plans to drive a mobile billboard around the Capitol complex, which is still under heavy security, on Tuesday and Wednesday to encourage Trump’s conviction.

    More on Republican Accountability Project
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    It's very interesting to see all these Conservative spin machines being used to fight their own.
    They're very good at it...and don't hold back
    If only the Dems could learn to play this game well.
    Then they'll have a skill when the Conservatives go back to the opposition (if they do, or spin off, etc)
     
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  5. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    The Democrats should play the Trump game. There are Democrats who are: Current or former military, current or former law enforcement, firearms enthusiasts, etc.
     
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    What kind of game?
     
  7. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    Yeah even after 4 years I see his main game as unhinged street corner shit talking with a cadre of psycopants political strategists scrambling in the background to invent bullshit and spin to make him sound good to disaffected white man and his wife, unless he's an angry unmarried incel. Ultimately, fuck rules, anything that can get me a win today, let lawyers sort it out tomorrow.
     
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  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

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    I agree completely.

    This latest CBS poll might explain , in part, the difference in the mindset of how the parties see each other and how that, in turn, may reflect the manner in which they express their oppositition.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    More from the CBS poll...

    Majority favor conviction as impeachment trial begins, but many Republicans urge loyalty to Trump
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    The "Fight like hell" game.

    The more that comes out about Conman's actions before and during the Invasion, combined with his election fraud lies in general, the madder I get. The fact that most Republicans in the Senate have made it clear they are ignoring their sworn oath by ignoring the constitutionality vote and declaring they're going to vote for acquittal makes me even madder.

    Yes, let's make those Republican US Senators the enemy and "fight like hell."
     
  10. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    I hope enough flip.
    But I think between constituent threats, trump threats and general repercussions from kool aid addicts, most will cave and we'll get acQuittal.
    If that happens I guess we go on to his civilian issues, I think these are also open ended investigation so if kids get swallowed up in it all the better.

    Crazy Steve Bannon is still tweeting.

    If the trial lasts a week and there's some intense home base polling that returns fast enough pro conviction maybe some R's will flip. But at this point very few Rs have a shred of integrity, could also be that various corporate doners may chime in with some free speech (pulling funds) incentive.

    I've read a lot of Qubies are waking up but there's millions of them so they still have a lot of pull.
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & don't criticize. Donor

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    I hate to agree with you--the message, not you personally--but you mentioned two things ultimately more important than integrity to politicians in general and Republicans especially: Power, and money.
     
  12. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    Yeah, I think trump wants to keep fundraising.
    Matt Gaetz just wants money and power. My gut says he has no moral compass at all.
    Marjorie Taylor Green may have started her Qool Aid trip thinking about baby cannibalism but I'm pretty sure that's all gone and it's about money and power to her as well.
    I find it way harder to believe any of these folks are so easily such a ludicrous story as jewish lasers and adrinochrome than just a simple desire to have money and attention, and power over people, charismatic pull over a crowd even if this crowd is the dumbest, most ignorant people they can get. It's like instagram attention whoring.
    I don't think they have a plan of what to do with the power.
    I think it's just a desire for followers...like the prosperity religion,
    I'm good because I have wealth and all these dumb people believe me, never mind it all came from construction of false reality. Just calling it lies dosn't seem enough. It's a whole false reality that seems a whole lot harder to pull their audience away from.
     
  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I just wanna know where all this fascism came from recently in the post-industrial first world nations lately

    I thought we had it all stamped out...then it pops out again like a bad plague (pun intended, but totally separate issue)

    Is it a combination of sheer corruption of leaders looking for power and money
    AND the underlying racism, bigotry, etc of mostly rural public???

    That seems to be the pattern
    One feeding off the other

    It’s not everyone...but a good portion of 30-40% of the population. And they’re very verbal and aggressive.

    Am I crazy here?
     
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  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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    There are many reasons, I just don't know if one can be pointed to as the culprit. I posted a list of possibilities here a while ago.

    However, it might be all about sex as one of my non-political friends likes to say. And it makes a lot of sense in some ways. In the 50's and 60's, most men had stable jobs and stable relationships. The older generation wasn't trying to date younger women after divorcing their first wives. Men who held regular factory jobs, drove semis, or were farmers weren't judged by women who were doctors, models, and business leaders in the dating world. The druggie hippies in the late 60's got to have lots of sex while they were off in Vietnam. In the 80's, 90's, & 2000's they saw the women leave rural small town America for college and big city life where white collar workers, non-white men, and the rich were more attractive partners. TV shows reinforced this and showed women that the "perfect" guy is out there if you leave the small town and go to the big city.

    Then you have AM talk radio and some TV shows start to tie it to politics and corporate interests. Reagan and the Willie Horton/welfare queens ads had an effect of saying that hard working white men were paying lots of their tax money to inner city black people (either in jail or public housing projects). Money that doesn't go to improving their lives, reducing the amount of work they have to do, or help them get laid.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/hist...ueen-truth-was-more-disturbing-new-book-says/
     
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  15. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I don’t about the first part, that’s likely a part of the regular cycle of things. In fact, probably the biggest thing that broke the cycle for better was WWII. Most players respected other players because they all fought and survived the same battles, everything even, rich and poor.

    But after awhile, the more ambitious forgot about that honor and started looking at their fellow person as someone to be used and make money off of.
    Unfortunately, they also lied and spun like crazy to cover themselves. So those getting angry at the system were redirected away from those taking advantage and given false scapegoats.

    It’s always another scapegoat...

    I think the pace of things and the unending web/media attempting to get attention with controversy and shock is wearing and increasing anxiety and highlighting more scapegoats.

    Everyone is exhausted, anxious and being fee’d to death in a constant trickle away of money. So again that anger and frustration at the complexity and hustle is given another scapegoat. (even absurd ones).

    There’s got to be a way to break the cycle again.
    Where the average Joe is given a break and breather. And not looked at as someone to hustle, sucker and drive into the ground.

    I think that’s what’s causing the increase of fascism.
    Someone to focus their anger, someone simple to lead. We’ve basically got an angry mob, both metaphorical and literal.

    What can we do to break the cycle?
    Put everyone on even footing again with consideration and respect.

    And I’m not talking about capitalism vs Marxism or in between socialism. Because those get abused too, any system will. I think it’s a matter of respect, not seeing others to be used or provoked. Then leaders, corporate or government, etc gives the benefit of the doubt to others.

    Maybe if we can turn the web/media cycle around.
    Refraining from controversy and hype...to promotion of positive and productive...self worth and respect for others.

    Then there won’t be as many scapegoats or the sense to target an external thing for anger and frustration. Being given the benefit of the doubt.

    Any other ideas for breaking the cycle?
     
  16. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Don't forget the rise of Christian fundamentalism. Religion in general teaches you to reject what you can see and hear and instead believe in faith. Combine that with the belief that others have rejected god and are going to hell, and are therefore worthless satanist democrats.
     
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  17. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    Higher ed, and travel. I've herd travel is the best teacher but then again I think one must be open to learning. I think when I was in college I paid more attention to girls than school. But still some sunk in and I feel a benefit from it.

    I've been to auschwitz, I wouldn't say it was shocking but it was strongly effecting to stand in front of ovens and at the threshold of gas chambers, see the shaved off hair, some braided in a huge display. Skin lampshade and book binding. It sticks with you, a book not even behind glass. It's not pizza gate on the internet. I spose it's not practical to give that experience to everyone but it would help.

    Just think how it would feel to watch 200 (or 500 or whatever) people wait all day in line to vote, loosing wages, while you did it by mail easily in the evening right here in the U.S. toms of us have no idea how hard it is to vote in other states. Why isn't it the same process nationally ?
    Leveling playing fields to the degree that things seem fair. It seems fair to me that we provide via our taxes a 4 year college degree.

    I think part of the cycle is the generation that saw fascism take hold goes away without really teaching the next gens what it was all about, how to recognize it, and how to take it seriously.

    I don't know how to lessen the scourge of cronyism, or narcisisim or other personality disorders...
    I do think that college fraternal organization is a bit suspect...maybe more than a bit. To me it seems like a playpen to hone the skill of cronyism, organized bad behavior and dealing with the binds of group secrecy and guilt.
    "I know what you did, give me a position in your law firm/brokerage/hedge fund/ etc. "

    I don't really know though. Maybe we are destined to go through the cycle..
     
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  18. boink

    boink Getting Tilted Donor

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    Clan before country as expected. Pretty sad.
     
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  19. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Can't believe the Republicans missed the opportunity to create unity. Shocked.
     
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  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I do know this...

    The Dems aren’t stupid, gullible maybe, but not stupid
    They’ve figured out that the GOP aid out of control, they’re nuts and took what extent they will go or allow it.

    Unfortunately for the GOP, the Dems are in control.
    And they’re going to take steps...

    While T and his cronies spent time to tear things apart and stuff their pockets
    The Dems and Biden are going to spend their time differently
    They’re going to lock it down

    They’re going to follow the money...
    Use their opponents evil and antics against them
    Many will go to jail, be financially or politically sabotaged or somehow disappear or fade away.
    Reputations will be torn.

    The Dems realize the other side isn’t just political opponents...but they ARE dangerous.
    Step will be taken
    Just to stabilize...if not make them right.

    You’ll see some unusual things in the next few years
    But the GOP has left themselves open by their actions.
     
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