Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Nov 14, 2011.
Become a robot.
that would be the response from the paulbots.
other sectors respond collectively in quite different ways to the kind of greed and irresponsibility that the paulbot set seems to imagine a pathway to everything good and lovely. well, that plus jesus.
It's not a question of making it go away, or at least not in the sense of being able to convince the greedy bastards to stop being greedy. It's the difference between allowing a pride of lions to roam freely throughout the city vs. fencing them in for our protection.
Our elected officials have been very irresponsible zookeepers to the point where they not only have let the lions roam freely but have gone so far as to fence us in, making us easy prey for them.
It's time to rein them back in, zookeepers and lions alike. This is our country, not theirs. It's our economy and our society at stake which, IMO, takes precedence over their greedy, self serving pursuits, which have been at our expense.
How to get this done? The first step is in progress - Elevate the existence of the problem to a national stage and speak out against it. Put pressure on the government entities allowing the problem to continue and worsen.
2nd step - Continue the pressure until elected officials cave to the will of the people and begin legislating and regulating on our behalf.
3rd step - Stay on them as they work out how to bring about this reversal of fortune.
We can't make the greed go away but we have every right to insist that it not adversely affect us.
i'm not saying running away is the only option left for the Occupy people, but if i were there, i would certainly consider isolating myself while the fat cats become the architects of their own demise
when you put in into perspective as a zoo, for some reason it makes more since to me.
my next (stupid question), in every successful protest in history there has been a "leader" of the protest.
for one example malcom x and mlk with the civil rights movements, (inknow therre were more) but you see my point.
how can it become a successful protest if there is not a "leader of the pack" to speak for the crowd so to speak?
The obvious problem is that any 'leader' will be mercilessly scrutinized by the media now. And failing to find actual facts or problems in their character, the paid political trolls on-line will smear them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGB8Uuffi4M
They do need to come up with a real strategy to change the system from the outside though, and that is tough. I mean, how many people boycott Wal-Mart and their decision to change Black Friday to Black Thursday...yet the company was still successful. It will not be easy because the powerful rich hold the money and make the laws. And they can weather financial and legal setbacks much better than the guy making minimum wage that a 'real' consumer boycott would end up hurting.
They need to spend the winter exposing and investigating the system and how the players are connected and corrupted. But I'm not sure how you overcome the average American's apathy and how much they don't care about anything, as long as they are doing OK. And how to counteract the hundreds (thousands?) of right-wing political think-tanks made up of semi-retired and retired people who have nothing better to do all day than to promote their failed ideology.
If this was written in a 'professional' way without the NSFW language, this would be a great article that explains the 20-something generation. And when you factor in the $15 trillion in debt handed down, the corporate corruption, the environmental messes, the increased costs of living, the higher expectation of living standards (no 50-style cheap mass produced homes here for $40k, and if they are girls your age will think you are a loser), you either get to pay at minimum $500/month to a landlord for rent or $500/month to a bank in interest, unfunded liabilities as far as the eye can see (but still call for more tax cuts for them). It is a culture problem, and a generational problem, and it is big.
Mother of the year? Possibly. Any idea on how to hold a weapon? No.
Occupy should do whatever makes sense to help take the money out of politics.
as an aside, more and more artist types are doing what they can to position themselves in solidarity with the occupation movement. here's some mixes put up by the folk from massive attack:
oh look, people already forgot about it because it isn't making headlines anymore...
Kind of like Iraq and Afghanistan at times. Also, did you know that the civil war in Somalia is still ongoing? It hit its 20th anniversary this year.
Americans are well known for their complacency. That's the challenge.
But the headlines might resurface soon, as there are a few days of action lined up beginning today. In a week or so they're planning a port blockade out west.
to be fair, Iraq is over, Afghanistan is going to be the next "why the hell were we in that country?" in another 2 years, and nobody (not just America) cares about the ongoing civil war in Somalia.
as for the action that is "lined up", i thought Anonymous was supposed to wipe the NYSE off of the internet and completely take down facebook. i'm not saying that i want these things to happen, but i'm not going to count my hippies before the drum circle/blockade is complete.
(not that i have anything against mellow pot-smoking granola-folk who like to listen to Phish and Jack Johnson, but slobbering retards who parrot rhetoric are just as bad on the left as they are on the right)
Except sometimes, the rhetoric speaks the truth. Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, and like-minded ilk spout the rhetoric that the OWS movement is anti-semitic at its core. The OWS movement spouts the rhetoric that there is too much corporate influence in American politics.
One of these rhetorical statements is true. You Decide.
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