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Politics Who's Gonna Win?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by issmmm, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    that's true unions don't represent a huge population, but i'm guessing the amount of employers telling people how to vote is really low. the ones i'm hearing about are the employers who are on the edge of having to provide insurance based on how many employees they have. ie they need to lay off a couple people or cut back wages to not fall under obamacare.

    the private sector is employing 90% of workers. even though they are doing things for the benefit of business, they are doing a lot to help out the 90% of american workers they are keeping employed.
     
  2. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    I would really hope employees would take this sort of thing with a grain of salt. How they're "advised" to vote is quite a bit different than how they will vote once in the privacy of the voting booth. Besides, I can't believe anyone would change how they plan on voting simply because their employers hold a different view and choose to appeal to them by way of a veiled threat.

    Hopefully most people are smart enough to realize that if Obama gets re-elected their employers are not going to initiate a mass firing campaign merely on principle.

    Then again, Romney is now neck 'n neck with Obama in the polls so nearly 50% of US voters are not very smart at all.
     
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  3. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    not smart? i'd say it's stupid to vote for obama again and expect different results. he even had the benefit of controling congress his first two years. if you can't get shit done at that point, why even entertain a second term.

    "If I don't have this done in three years, it's going to be a one-term proposition."
     
  4. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    More threats from the mouths of the naysayers, doomsdayers, gameswayers, and just plain misinformed.

    Employers save $422 billion if they dump health coverage. Will they? - The Washington Post

     
  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    While there are a variety of reasons not to have global government health care,
    it would actually allow for more options when attempting to get new jobs.

    Right now, many restrict themselves in getting into other industries and otherwise,
    because they aren't getting benefits along with the wage.

    It actually may benefit BOTH employers and employees....
    I don't know...but it's definitely something to consider.
     
  6. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    So let's have another round of supply-side economics. I guess the only reason it's never worked before is because the top of the heap just didn't have enough top on it.

    I pretty much expected the results of Obama's 1st term.

    The economy is no longer in the free-fall it had been following 8 years of Republican policy.

    There's been a good deal of improvement in private sector earnings.

    The unemployment rate is back down to the rate it was when Obama inherited the Great Republican Recession. Remember that? Remember the astronomical job losses that rolled out as Bush was hightailing it back to Crawford, TX.?

    The Congress has done mostly fuck-all the past 4 years, unless you count the very effective obstruction campaign waged by Republican congress folk. Considering this, I think Obama has done a fair to good job. They may not be the results we could hope for but let's face it samcol, your last leader really, really, fucked things up.
     
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  7. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    More than 5 million private sector jobs created in 3+ years, annual economic growth (think global economy) in the last 3 years higher than EU, Japan, Korea...., new manufacturing jobs recently at the highest level in 3+ years, housing starts on the rebound...

    I think we would all agree the recovery is not fast enough. The American people are not the most patient.

    But every economic indicator is trending in the right direction...and we should stop and go back in a direction that failed in the past...that did not create jobs or grow the economy, but did contribute to even greater income inequality?
    --- merged: Oct 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM ---
    The non-partisan Joint Economic Committee released a report earlier this week (in the form of a letter to Congress) that analyzed Romney's proposed 20 percent tax cut across the board and concluded that eliminating nearly all deductions (including those most vital to the middle class) would only cover a four percent rate reduction.

    To keep revenue the same as it’ll be next year, when the Bush tax cuts expire, you could only cut rates by 4 percent. Instead of brackets of 15 percent, 28 percent, 31 percent, 36 percent and 39.6 percent, you’d have brackets of 14.4 percent, 26.88 percent, 29.76 percent, 34.56 percent and 38.02 percent. That’s not exactly revolutionary, and it’s a far cry from the 20 percent cut that Romney wants.​

    Romney's proposed 20 percent...more debt.
     
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  8. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    most of the blame on the do nothing congress can be blamed on the democrats. remember that majority, the one where you don't even have to pay attention to republitards to get something accomplished? if they were capable or any good at what they were doing, they would of got something done the first 2 years with the majority and had a slam dunk for the 2010 and 2012 election.

    however they have failed miserably. obama has just taken bush's horrible policies and put them on steroids.

    p.s. i never voted for or supported bush so don't imply he was 'my guy'. i was one of the biggest critics of him on this board along with a few others. it's funny now to see obama basically do the same thing and these people that were against bush just seem to overlook obama's disasters.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    It's a bit more than that. He's gambling with that 20 percent. He's betting it on creating more jobs and boosting the economy. You know, like all those other times similar policies have done in the past.
     
  10. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Remember that MN senate recount/trial from Jan - March so the Democrats only had 59 votes in the senate? The Democrats controlled 60 seats from April-August 2009 (4.5 months not including recesses and vacations), but Ted Kennedy was pretty sick and past away. So, they were back down to 59, until MA could hold an election, and the GOP saw it as their chance to become the Party of No. Then in 2010, it was back to campaign season again with the Tea Party in full swing.
     
  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Seems that some questionable numbers have come about...first Rasmussen, now Gallop.

    Hey, if you can't rely on your fact-checkers and your polls...what are we going to do??
    What do you expect? For us to watch trends and read details and use our brains??
    Who has time for that??? :rolleyes:

     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Oh, snap!

     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    It's interesting to see how the rest of the world is viewing our elections.
    I guess everyone has an agenda.
    It's like waiting to see who will be the principal of your school next year. And how they'll affect the neighborhood. :rolleyes:

     
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Currently...quite a few "unbiased" media sources are saying that Romney's momentum or "surge" has slowed, if not stopped altogether.
    Link 1
    Link 2
    Link 3

    there are certain sites, that are more conservative leaning sites like RCP that are giving more trends to Romney,
    but even if you get down to the battleground states in detail, those are not showing Romney on the site.
    as a matter of fact, Karl Rove's site has played it straight is still showing certain states still as a toss-up.

    So it gets down to this last week and a half...and anything can make it move.
    Hell even God & Mother Nature is getting into the act by sending in "perfect storms" for the East Coast. (and a Full Moon, of course ;))

    Personally, I'm voting early to avoid the insane lines and other logistical hells.
     
  15. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    I already voted. ;) Yay, vote-by-mail.
     
  16. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Me too. Absentee ballot. I hope it made its way across the pond.

    May the best perceived image of himself win. :rolleyes:
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Can anyone tell me why the media is speculating on polls that are a week old still?

    Don't they have anything else to talk about?
    Or is it they are just trying to have something ambiguous or controversial to talk about?

    Or is it like a pre-teen looking down at themselves nekkid, saying "This is only thing I have to play with?..."
    How do I make it bigger?
    How do I make it more interesting???
     
  18. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    Obama never really had two years of full control but the right wing media has got it out there in the ether then it just becomes a "fact" repeated over and over though it was never a fact.
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Say Again?? ;)

     
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted Donor

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    What are the odds that Romney will flip flop on disaster relief funding?

    After a major hurricane last year, he suggested turning FEMA emergency response coordinating responsibilities over to the states and the private sector. Earlier this year, he and Paul Ryan both publicly demanded that the federal government only provide disaster relief funding if Congress agreed to offsetting budget cuts elsewhere....even most other Republicans shot that idea down.

    I suspect he we now be all all for providing disaster funding asap.